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We cannot hold all Afghanistan/Iraq accountable for governments against which they were powerless. Joel Send a noteboard - 04/09/2012 11:54:46 PM
Iraq committed multiple violations of the armistice treaty they signed (from a war they started)and did things like fire on America planes and try and assianiate our former presidents not to mention kicking out UN inspectors. After the fall of Iraq the people of Iraq decided to commit sustained war on each not to mention US troops and in the process drug extended the war years longer than the few months it should have lasted. What passed for a government in Afghanistan allowed their country to be used as a terrorist base to plan and train for attacks against the US.
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In both countries the war could have been short with a short occupation except for the fact that they choose to try and kill each other and drag it long after they had lost. If the Germans had behaved the way the Iraqis had behaved after loosing WWII it would have gone even worse for them because we are kindler and gentler nation now with a less friendly press corp.

I said that in response to Legolas, but it evidently bears repeating here. Once the occupation began, Al Qaeda and the Taliban aggressively recruited natives to resist the foreign invader (though they also shipped in thousands of their own foreign troops for that purpose.) We lacked the manpower to impose martial law on a scale that would have prevented that, and the collateral damage combat with Al Qaeda and the Taliban inflicted only aided their recruitment efforts: It was easy to argue no collateral damage would be possible in Americas absence (so long as anyone who brought up abuses under the Taliban and Bath Party was summarily executed.)
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