you and a small army of pollsters are trying to figure that out
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 04/09/2012 05:58:31 PM
While following the political threads on this board and watching some youtube clips regarding the various candidates, I was just wondering about the following.... (Please share your experiences)...
1. The candidates almost undoubtedly market 'change' as the reason to vote for them. I will change this, I will get America where it should be. Do you believe them?
I try and decide which campaign promises match their record. When Obama said he was going to invest in green energy I believed him because it matched his record but when he promised to be post-partisan and play a cleaner more honest brand of politics I didn't because he his history was the opposite.
Romney is saying he will focus on the economy by lowering taxes and regulations and I believe that is what he will do but I doubt it will look a lot like what he is proposing now.
I try and not focus too much on the exact specifics of what they are promising since that tells you more about what their pollsters think than anything else and it will never get passed by congress looking anything like what was promised in the campaign anyways. I don't think that is simply because they will say anything to get elected so much as it is because the legislature not the president writes laws. That and as a group we demand that candidates take hard positions on issues they not really care about and then we are shocked when they are willing to ditch those promises to get what they really want.
I think it part Americans miss the point when it comes to president. We seem to forget that the primary role of the president is to administer the laws passed by congress and to conduct foreign policy. If you have two men running on the exact same platform it still matters which one you elect because their ability to execute and lead may vary widely. We should spend more time looking at proven leadership and less looking at who is promising the most.
2. Do the candidates deliver? Is there a President in your lifetime who has delivered and really made you glad that you voted for him? Or is it all the same old until they get into the White House and everything remains pretty standard.
I think for the most part the presidents in my life have at least put a lot of effort into delivering what they promised if you are smart enough to look at what their vision is and not at the exact details of every campaign promise. I would say Obama has been the greatest failure on delivering on his promise since his fundamental promise was that he would unite the country but he is the most partisan president I have seen in my life time. W in his last term may have been close but he ran on fighting the war in Iraq not playing nice with the dems.
3. Does the candidate matter that much to you or do you vote for a party and their policies most times?
The candidate matters and I have voted for members of both party at least at the congressional level. If the republican party had nominated someone like Herman Cain I would not vote for him and if the dems were to nominate a moderate I would consider voting for him if I wasn’t that found of the republican but the reality is that with our primary system neither party is doing much in the middle. One of the reasons I vote republican at the presidential level is that in general the republican nominees are more moderate than the democratic ones. How the president manages the various gigantic federal agencies matters and who they put in charge of them matters as well.
4. How is the quality of your leadership changing? Are your leaders better or worse than 20 or 50 years ago?
No not really it is just the level of scrutiny we put them under that has changed and our eagerness to find some poorly chosen phrase to drag them down. If Kennedy had to live through the same level of scrutiny that modern presidents endure he would have been paralyzed by the number scandals he would have endured. Look at how much grief Clinton got for getting a BJ but Kennedy was passing girls around to staff and no one said boo about it.
Thank you
Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 07:19:54 AM
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Re: Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 02:59:24 PM
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OMG, that is both insightful and infuriating. I am, by turns, perplexed, angry and sexually aroused.
04/09/2012 11:37:45 PM
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I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack.
04/09/2012 03:03:52 PM
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Re: I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack.
04/09/2012 03:58:36 PM
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But could you imagine either one taking the second slot on that ticket? *NM*
04/09/2012 04:11:58 PM
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The meanness and partisanship has always been there, especially in DC, however.....
04/09/2012 04:18:29 PM
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I think it's funny your reply has more than twice as many views as mine.
04/09/2012 04:08:49 PM
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I guess a lot of people have you on ignore! *NM*
04/09/2012 04:26:56 PM
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Or I'm boring? *NM*
04/09/2012 05:49:14 PM
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I know the feeling.
04/09/2012 07:42:35 PM
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that is because she logged out and hit refresh over and over to make you look bad
05/09/2012 02:58:28 AM
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you and a small army of pollsters are trying to figure that out
04/09/2012 05:58:31 PM
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Re: Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 09:30:35 PM
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Sorry, but I only gloss over most of what you say.
05/09/2012 03:39:28 PM
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the belief that the GOP is out to get him in a central pillar to the Joel universe *NM*
05/09/2012 03:57:49 PM
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Stephen is basically right on the first point.
05/09/2012 08:39:22 PM
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Thanks for clarifying, Joel. *NM*
06/09/2012 01:31:31 PM
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NP, thanks for asking and listening.
06/09/2012 02:39:54 PM
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On that note (liberals hating America).
07/09/2012 05:35:40 PM
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I (usually) do not think it intentional; unfortunately, that rarely mitigates the harm.
07/09/2012 06:12:56 PM
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