I have no party, and have already said mischaracterizing "corporations are people" is just as bad.
Joel Send a noteboard - 02/09/2012 04:15:01 PM
You and the left jumped all over the Romney comment about corporations being people. Didn’t matter then that what he was saying is that corporations are made up of people and what affects them the affect real people. Same thing with “I like to fire people comment”. All is fair in love and politics but you really can’t except to get much respect when you gleefully take the other guys words out context then go and get the Mother Of All Butt Hurts because the republican is not giving the proper nuance to Obama saying entrepreneurs really can’t take all the credit for building their companies.
I think the real problem is that being liberal your gut instinct when someone sees something different than you do is to assume that their view was based on ignorance. But the ignorance in the case is the assumptions that right doesn’t understand what Obama was trying to say. We understand what he was trying to say and it is true that there are things the government does that make it possible for business to thrive but what the left is missing is that the way he said is where the problem is. The arrogance and dismissive attitude Obama has for the private sector really shines through when you put his comments in context and really don’t help him at all.
I think the real problem is that being liberal your gut instinct when someone sees something different than you do is to assume that their view was based on ignorance. But the ignorance in the case is the assumptions that right doesn’t understand what Obama was trying to say. We understand what he was trying to say and it is true that there are things the government does that make it possible for business to thrive but what the left is missing is that the way he said is where the problem is. The arrogance and dismissive attitude Obama has for the private sector really shines through when you put his comments in context and really don’t help him at all.
Same with "I like to fire people;" that was clearly unfairly used from the start. The real problem is the GOP excusing ANY transgression with claims (accurate or not) Dems did something as bad or worse. Think we will see a "corporations are peole" or "I like to fire people" banner at next weeks DNC? Will devote an entire night to either, make them the convention theme? Does the GOPs disingenuous out-of-context version of Obamas comments give Dems the privilege to do likewise?
Assuming ignorance accounts for a badly distorted "understanding" of Obamas comments is giving the right a BREAK; admitting they understood him perfectly yet dishonestly misrepresented him because they do not CARE makes them look worse. Better an idiot than a liar.
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Does Not a "WE [Not I] BUILT THIS!" Banner Concede Warren and Obama Were Right?
01/09/2012 02:45:52 PM
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It amazing how much the left doesn't get tis issue
01/09/2012 02:55:44 PM
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It is amazing how well every sentence but your last covers the "We [not I] built this" view
01/09/2012 03:29:27 PM
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+1 - nicely said. The "built it" comment drives the left crazy, since they know.....
01/09/2012 04:25:52 PM
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Nope, it drives us crazy because it's an out-of-context fragment quote
01/09/2012 07:01:24 PM
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they all know what he said and context doesn't change it *NM*
01/09/2012 07:11:01 PM
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This is the kind of shit that makes me and my family not want to vote Republican.
02/09/2012 12:01:01 AM
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Interesting response....
02/09/2012 12:07:01 AM
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They're both acting normal (for politicians)
02/09/2012 12:12:31 AM
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I disagree; they both did something downright bizarre (again, for politicians; see link.)
02/09/2012 12:20:32 AM
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Heh.
02/09/2012 12:25:10 AM
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Bah, everyone knows Taxachusetts residents are mad, and tyrants to boot.
02/09/2012 03:04:57 AM
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Yes the GOP really need to make more effort into trying to win Massachusetts
02/09/2012 02:17:49 PM
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Exactly, the context doesn't help. Libs believe government knows all and makes all possible.
01/09/2012 08:25:51 PM
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Sigh... what words a quote contains is not a matter of "POV."
01/09/2012 09:01:17 PM
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Seriously. Like, I'm not debating policy here- I am saying that those are the literal words. *NM*
01/09/2012 11:53:39 PM
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I do not understand how that can be debated, yet it keeps happening.
02/09/2012 12:03:44 AM
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What should disturb you is what a bunch of unhinged hypocrites your party has become
02/09/2012 02:38:34 PM
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I have no party, and have already said mischaracterizing "corporations are people" is just as bad.
02/09/2012 04:15:01 PM
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Would you give a me link to where you created post upset about how Romney was being treated?
02/09/2012 09:10:03 PM
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Sure; the last time was about three days ago in response to you.
02/09/2012 09:20:55 PM
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are you on crack? that is a post of you defending the stupid Bain attacks on Romney
02/09/2012 09:30:00 PM
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You brought up Bain there; I merely responded and noted Romneys "corp." line was also misused.
02/09/2012 10:12:52 PM
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Joel. That's the thinking of a 12-year-old. You're better than that. *NM*
01/09/2012 05:17:25 PM
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Saying "you didn't build that" denigrates individuals is twelve-year-old thinking:I merely note that
01/09/2012 05:45:06 PM
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I know what Obama meant to say. If he said it to me I would want to punch him in his liberal mouth.
02/09/2012 12:23:47 AM
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Ok, I'll put this very naively.
02/09/2012 12:36:33 AM
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Obama had his chance.
02/09/2012 12:43:25 AM
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True, I think. I just wish the RNC had taken a more concrete approach like you did. Could fuck them. *NM*
02/09/2012 12:52:58 AM
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"The Democratic health care bill that bears Obama's name for no good reason"
02/09/2012 03:44:18 AM
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and you really want us to believe it is a few comments that are keeping you from voting republican? *NM*
02/09/2012 02:40:13 PM
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Your suggestion that what I floated to Tom is somehow antithetical to the GOP is laughable. *NM*
02/09/2012 05:29:33 PM
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In fairness to rt, that sounds a lot like a welfare state, which is pretty antithetical to the GOP.
02/09/2012 07:10:47 PM
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Most are willing to enter the debate, and give a measure of ground. Hence Romneycare. *NM*
02/09/2012 10:40:21 PM
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Fair enough, but once the show goes national we get Romneys pledge to repeal Romneycare.
02/09/2012 11:10:55 PM
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"If you don't want to root for your team, then you should get the hell out of the stadium."
02/09/2012 02:15:11 AM
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Your political philosophy seems based on ignoring the difference between voluntary & compulsory
02/09/2012 12:38:50 AM
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Yours seems based on ignoring the "WE THE PEOPLE" at the top of the document creating US government.
02/09/2012 02:48:45 AM
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I think there is something to be said for charitable interpretation.
02/09/2012 02:10:10 AM
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I am not sure what the best argument against the best reading of his argument would be.
02/09/2012 03:13:46 AM
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I don't think so
02/09/2012 01:47:03 PM
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True, but self-reliant individualism goes poorly with plural nouns.*
02/09/2012 04:18:22 PM
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