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On that first point snoopcester Send a noteboard - 27/08/2012 10:37:34 AM
I find it all kind of suspicious that he's suddenly been found guilty of years of doping after he passed hundreds of drug tests.


He's already the first rider to be convicted of doping without having been caught doping.
Half of the Telecom team from the 90s admitted to doping after they'd retired, despite none of them having failed a test - Riis claimed he'd been doping throughout the mid-90s.
No one on the Festina team failed a test - they still got banned.
Ivan Basso never failed a test.
Contador only failed a test because of bad luck - his sample was sent to the one lab that could detect the low level he had in his sample.
Jesper Skibby confessed in his autobiography to have been doping for 10 years without getting caught.
Marco Pantani never failed a doping test.
There is also the comment by Bernhard Kohl after he did which was along the lines of "I've been tested a 100 times while doping and only failed one test"

If you put together all the tests taken by those riders above, they've taken comfortably more tests than Armstrong and yet there is just two failed tests in there of which one was arguably very bad luck.
Sadly testing rarely catches the dopers, the main effect of testing is to make them work harder to avoid getting caught.

That said, I don't understand why the USDA would suddenly decide to prosecute arguably the world's greatest cyclist. What have they got to gain? If its a symbolic witch hunt against doping its probably one of the most malicious acts in history, especially with Lance's history.

So in my mind he's probably guilty. It would take a very evil organization to pull this kind of act without substantiation even if they could get away with it. As I said, if he's innocent it's a travesty but if they suddenly stripped Phelps of all his medals for doping I'd automatically believe that they found evidence, checked it and double checked it before they pounced.
*MySmiley*

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Lance Armstrong - drugs cheat. - 24/08/2012 10:51:35 AM 1455 Views
You mean giving up in disgust after relentless hounding? - 24/08/2012 11:34:05 AM 764 Views
No, I meant what I said - 24/08/2012 12:08:05 PM 844 Views
Delighted - 24/08/2012 12:21:12 PM 722 Views
Re: Delighted - 24/08/2012 12:36:20 PM 984 Views
you think the case against Contador is fishy but you cheerlead the witch hunt of Armstong? - 25/08/2012 04:11:23 AM 747 Views
No. Can you please reread what I actually wrote. - 25/08/2012 09:46:47 AM 659 Views
Snoop = hypocrite - great job random! *NM* - 25/08/2012 04:27:38 PM 396 Views
Damage to cycling? LMAO good one! *NM* - 24/08/2012 03:23:48 PM 345 Views
Yea I choked up a bit when I read that - 25/08/2012 12:09:13 AM 771 Views
Sad thing is I wondered who would be awarded the victory now his have been stripped... - 24/08/2012 05:31:20 PM 728 Views
And this is why I have a hard time blaming Armstrong. - 24/08/2012 06:16:14 PM 776 Views
I don't. - 24/08/2012 11:51:14 PM 783 Views
Oh come on. - 25/08/2012 01:18:18 AM 950 Views
Yes? - 25/08/2012 10:07:34 AM 844 Views
No. - 25/08/2012 12:53:49 PM 853 Views
Oh. - 26/08/2012 05:28:50 PM 854 Views
Hopefully they will leave the 1st places empty - 24/08/2012 11:44:49 PM 681 Views
That is one of things I find suspicious about the denials. - 26/08/2012 03:01:30 AM 769 Views
Re: That is one of things I find suspicious about the denials. - 26/08/2012 05:32:38 PM 746 Views
It is not proof, only far from conclusive evidence. - 26/08/2012 11:02:38 PM 777 Views
I really don't know anymore what to think on Armstrong. - 24/08/2012 06:53:04 PM 761 Views
Re: I really don't know anymore what to think on Armstrong. - 24/08/2012 11:59:14 PM 847 Views
Haters gotta hate. Its not like he's gonna get a fair hearing. *NM* - 24/08/2012 10:25:18 PM 357 Views
Yeah, they were going to use evidence and everything against him and not cower before his bullying - 25/08/2012 12:01:44 AM 661 Views
Nevermind, saw your post up above *NM* - 25/08/2012 01:05:03 AM 367 Views
Your reaction seems kinda over the top and spiteful, what's up with that? - 25/08/2012 01:15:12 AM 882 Views
Pleasure at seeing someone who has bullied and blustered for so long faced with justice. - 25/08/2012 10:11:15 AM 755 Views
You are a very small-minded person. - 25/08/2012 04:26:46 PM 773 Views
And you are a very annoying person. - 25/08/2012 06:06:50 PM 770 Views
In the immortal words of Anonymous2000 ... "+1" - 25/08/2012 06:32:10 PM 853 Views
-1 - 25/08/2012 10:23:25 PM 684 Views
I don't think 'nemesis' is a term that should be used regarding sporting events - 25/08/2012 07:51:35 PM 826 Views
Heh. This exchange is reminding me of Yes, Minister. - 25/08/2012 10:04:59 PM 705 Views
I've actually seen that show - 26/08/2012 05:33:31 AM 799 Views
As Legolas said, I think it is apprioriate - 26/08/2012 05:36:08 PM 642 Views
I'm really not in a position to judge, though obviously I'm inclined to disagree - 26/08/2012 05:41:49 PM 711 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 26/08/2012 05:47:36 PM 388 Views
but he was the guy who had cancer - 26/08/2012 12:26:34 AM 692 Views
I refer you to the Goldman dilema - 26/08/2012 05:41:26 PM 589 Views
but that's just dumb *NM* - 26/08/2012 10:23:34 PM 457 Views
Well - 27/08/2012 09:32:30 AM 960 Views
On that first point - 27/08/2012 10:37:34 AM 797 Views

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