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Oh. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 26/08/2012 05:28:50 PM
That may be true in the sense that he was by far the most high-profile rider of his generation, I suppose, so if someone like that is accused of doping and shows himself resentful against the accusers, it may have more effect than when some lesser god does it.


For me his behaviour went much beyond defending himself into out and out revenge against anyone he felt deserved.

It's also true that the Armstrong case, more than any other, has led a sizeable part of the public to distrust various doping authorities. The fact that for so many years, it was just the French who kept insisting that Armstrong was doping, made it seem very much like a witch hunt born out of the longstanding French frustration with their enduring failure to show anything of substance in their own Grand Tour (or for that matter any other) - the petty chauvinism of French sport journalists is legendary for a reason. It's quite possible that if not for the ongoing accusations against Armstrong, those against Contador would've been taken more seriously among the public (though not necessarily rightly so). But, while you can obviously blame Armstrong for doping, if indeed he has, it's not his fault if the authorities made such a mess of dealing with it that in the end a lot of people started to ignore what WADA and Dick Pound said.


I do agree with some of that - I don't think the authorities have helped themselves, the UCI in particular (accepting donations towards their doping programme from someone they are supposed to be carrying out doping checks on really isn't smart, nor having a president who was banned from the Olympics when he was younger)

That's what you call "ruining a career", is it? Singling him out to go ride after during one Tour stage? Armstrong was influential to be sure, and to be sure he sometimes used that influence for dubious purposes, but claiming he had the power to "ruin careers" is as absurd as the notion that he was "fighting hard to keep cycling dirty". He was fighting hard - fairly or unfairly - to win as many Tours as possible, that's what he was doing.


I'd say that the biggest cyclist in the world at that time sending out a clear message that he's going to do his best to ruin a rider's chance of victory purely out of a private grudge does count, yes.
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Lance Armstrong - drugs cheat. - 24/08/2012 10:51:35 AM 1455 Views
You mean giving up in disgust after relentless hounding? - 24/08/2012 11:34:05 AM 765 Views
No, I meant what I said - 24/08/2012 12:08:05 PM 845 Views
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you think the case against Contador is fishy but you cheerlead the witch hunt of Armstong? - 25/08/2012 04:11:23 AM 747 Views
No. Can you please reread what I actually wrote. - 25/08/2012 09:46:47 AM 659 Views
Snoop = hypocrite - great job random! *NM* - 25/08/2012 04:27:38 PM 396 Views
Damage to cycling? LMAO good one! *NM* - 24/08/2012 03:23:48 PM 345 Views
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Re: That is one of things I find suspicious about the denials. - 26/08/2012 05:32:38 PM 746 Views
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Yeah, they were going to use evidence and everything against him and not cower before his bullying - 25/08/2012 12:01:44 AM 661 Views
Nevermind, saw your post up above *NM* - 25/08/2012 01:05:03 AM 367 Views
Your reaction seems kinda over the top and spiteful, what's up with that? - 25/08/2012 01:15:12 AM 882 Views
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As Legolas said, I think it is apprioriate - 26/08/2012 05:36:08 PM 642 Views
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but that's just dumb *NM* - 26/08/2012 10:23:34 PM 457 Views
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