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Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable." Joel Send a noteboard - 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM
Good grief. Read a book and learn something! If both programs were indexed for life expectancy the age thresholds would be about 75 and both programs would still be in good shape.

Not that that will solve the core problem threatening Medicares (and Americas) solvency, and not that voting for no one will change anything.

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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate Legolas - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 1846 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 877 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 835 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things moondog - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 881 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 944 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 526 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 883 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people moondog - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 955 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently Isaac - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 840 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 779 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* Isaac - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 503 Views
They're not enlightened at all. Tom - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 1045 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 866 Views
I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely) LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM 1074 Views
People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain Isaac - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM 774 Views
Thank you for making sense. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 849 Views
voting third party is a good idea moondog - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 832 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 780 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. Joel - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 810 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 948 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? Joel - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 772 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. Aemon - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 1029 Views
I strongly disagree. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 863 Views
I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting. Legolas - 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM 935 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" moondog - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 862 Views
Nice asshatery. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 1016 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 793 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* Stephen - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 415 Views
Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please." Joel - 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM 1227 Views
Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race Isaac - 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM 968 Views
Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. Joel - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM 907 Views
+1 - Good post. Joel is off the deep end, once again. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 07:42:23 PM 534 Views
I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM 404 Views
Oh dear. Stephen - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 834 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 851 Views
What a shock. Legolas - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 983 Views
Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM 1072 Views
Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM 790 Views
The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP. Joel - 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM 1102 Views
Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM 927 Views
So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?! Joel - 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM 929 Views
Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM 721 Views
Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable." Joel - 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM 722 Views
Medicare is 100% unsustainable in it's current format..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:36:13 AM 802 Views
[citation needed] *NM* moondog - 12/08/2012 08:09:44 PM 539 Views
Re: What a shock. Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 951 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin moondog - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 950 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1077 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november moondog - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 894 Views
Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green) Joel - 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM 797 Views
Who cares? He's hot. Rebekah - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 1048 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 710 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 460 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 771 Views
On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM 963 Views
Tigr - 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 923 Views
Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM 793 Views
Didn't know enough about them to have an opinion, honestly. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:40:22 PM 928 Views
Well Paul Ryan also had a social security plan in 2005 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:48:39 AM 927 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 778 Views
Nice video. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 874 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? Joel - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 837 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any Larry - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 955 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 880 Views
Yes, they disavowed him Larry - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 874 Views
Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name. Joel - 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM 854 Views
Does not work in the US Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 827 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. Joel - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 777 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 829 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. Joel - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 858 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. Tom - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 857 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? Legolas - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 1015 Views
I disagree Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 879 Views
Bloomberg has imploded Tom - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 785 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. everynametaken - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 869 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. Legolas - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 856 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 792 Views
What should Obama have done? Tom - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 829 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? Joel - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1152 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. Tom - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 769 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. Ghavrel - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 949 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? Stephen - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 698 Views
No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM 877 Views
Good to know. Stephen - 13/08/2012 08:42:22 AM 890 Views
that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM 513 Views
Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM 724 Views
Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM 556 Views
he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM* random thoughts - 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM 517 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 994 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 787 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 887 Views
Don't get me wrong Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 801 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did Isaac - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 949 Views
What an amusing retrospective. Joel - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 956 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? Isaac - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 780 Views
Tangentially, of course. Joel - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 820 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 731 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) Joel - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 802 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 883 Views
They have a pill for that now. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 916 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 543 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. Joel - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 876 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 543 Views
I just did. Joel - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 857 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 812 Views
Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM 873 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? ironclad - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 729 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* Stephen - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 382 Views
I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM 888 Views
I agree with your statements nossy - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 954 Views
It's mostly nonsense Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 862 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1073 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1079 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. nossy - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1124 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. Isaac - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 828 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. nossy - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 778 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway Isaac - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 958 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. nossy - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1185 Views
Agreed Isaac - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 741 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 903 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. nossy - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 932 Views
I see your point, but... ironclad - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 719 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 907 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? Tom - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 723 Views
I honestly haven't decided. nossy - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1092 Views
Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. Joel - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM 847 Views
None of that is that important. everynametaken - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 896 Views
Agreed. *NM* Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 499 Views
Bullshit Tom - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 913 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 814 Views
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