Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM
To Americans who keep repeating the unbearable "guns don't kill people", I say: "neither do atomic bombs", so why not let Iran have some?
Well, why not? We let insane communist dictators have them, we let Pakistan have them. What is wrong with Iran? The idea that Iran or North Korea will ever get sufficient nuclear capability to more than a pinprick of harm to the US before we wipe them off the map is ridiculous.
Not a nice thought, eh? Items that go around will get used, and in the worst way possible.
If you want that to be your argument, then maybe you shouldn't use that inane statement immediately after your nuclear weapon analogy. It's been almost 67 years next month and we're still waiting for one of the many other countries in the world with nuclear weapons to use them. While I disapprove of our use of the nuclear bombs on Japan, there are many arguments in support of that action that undercut your assertion that they will automatically be used in the worst way possible. It should be super hard to get your hands on one, period.
It's also silly to base the right to wear arms on that old piece of paper. It's nice to stick to the good parts, freedom etc. but if the constitution said the earth was flat, you'd also still go with that? Also silly.
I really hope this is sort of parody, otherwise: It's the law of the land, Dumbass, not a religious tract or a scientific proposal. If you don't like what it says, you change it through the proscribed methods, you don't just go around ignoring it. That piece of paper outlaws slavery, lets women vote It's also silly to base the right to wear arms on that old piece of paper. It's nice to stick to the good parts, freedom etc. but if the constitution said the earth was flat, you'd also still go with that? Also silly.
I don't even wanna get into it all that much, because it's none of my business but the arguments portrayed (not necessarily in this thread) are sometimes beyond comprehension.
Especially the stance "if only every victim in the theater had a gun to fire back" makes me shake my head. What is this, the fucking Wild West?
Unfortunately no. The wild west had a much lower murder rate, and no one opened fire on rooms full of people, because they WERE afraid of getting shot back. Especially the stance "if only every victim in the theater had a gun to fire back" makes me shake my head. What is this, the fucking Wild West?
It's a vicious circle. Burglars wear guns because they expect the house owner to have one.
Burglars don't expect to get caught! That's the point of burglar, as opposed to armed robbery. You are plainly too ignorant to be offering opinions, let alone whether or not it's your business. Even setting aside the absurd claim that burglars often or usually carry guns, or that they do so out of fear of the homeowners, there is the mind-blowing lack of moral or ethical reasoning behind your claim. Homeowners have every right to protect their homes, and no one, under any circumstances should be required to forgo some action because it will be deleterious to the well-being of those who break the law. The first official who tries to enforce a law like that, is exactly the sort of person everyone should turn their guns against.
And the house owner gets better guns because he knows the burglar will bring one.
You're a moron. Homeowners don't get guns because they fear burglars with guns, they get guns for ANY burglar! Armed or unarmed! Preferably the latter! No one in their right mind wants a fair fight, and if every homeowner knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that no burglar would every carry a gun, they would STILL purchase guns to protect their homes, just like armed robbers would STILL carry guns if they knew no victim would be carrying one on their person! By your retarded logic, the guy in Colorado only brought a rifle into the theater, because he expected the other patrons to have rifles of their own.
It can only get uglier from there. Of course there is hardly a way back from this situation.
Beyond hunting or sports I don't see why anyone should have a gun beyond a regular 6-barrel one.
Beyond hunting or sports I don't see why anyone should have a gun beyond a regular 6-barrel one.
Who has a six-barrel gun?!?! WTF are you talking about?
Anyway, the purpose of the Second Amendment is not to have guns for hunting or sports. Arguably, the first clause of the Second Amendment could be used to SUPPORT a ban on hunting or sports weapons. That clause cites that the purpose of the ban on infringing the people's weapon rights is to secure a free state. The Second Amendment not only permits cop-killer bullets and combat weaponry, it all but mandates their ownership. The whole point of the Second Amendment is to turn your weapons against the government and its agents and officials in order to prevent their infringement of your other natural and civil rights. The second amendment does not cover hunting or sport weapons, because water fowl, deer, clay pigeons and paper targets do not constitute threats to civil liberties, to "the security of a free state." Therefore, the only Constitutionally-sanctioned use of firearms is armed rebellion. However, the precise wording of the amendment means no excuses, ifs, ands or buts. The "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Therefore, any law infringing on those rights, for whatever reason, is unconstitutional. A place like a movie theater, being a privately-owned establishment, has the right to refuse entry to those bearing arms, and even to have its own employees or authorized agents use arms against those who fail to comply, but the Constitution forbids the government from doing anything about either situation.
Certainly none that can shoot dozens of people within seconds. But since it seems to insult certain people just to think that way, the best one could hope for are more restrictions, tests and waiting periods.
So the only mass murderers can be the dedicated and patient kind? Meanwhile, putting authorization for weapons in the hands of the very people the weapons are legally intended to be used against. That's like asking the soldiers deployed abroad to get permission from al-Quaeda to carry weapons.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control?
25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM
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Kind of?
25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM
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Agreed
25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM
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Re: Agreed
25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM
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A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too.
25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM
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I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything
25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM
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Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US)
25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM
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Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns
25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM
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I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM
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Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM
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Re:
25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM
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My dad's gun were stolen and the police said they didn't need to even take fingerprints
25/07/2012 06:58:36 PM
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I understand, but you probably should if time permits
25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM
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It is unlikely to, for a while.
25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM
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Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though
26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM
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... his was shorter?
26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM
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Yeah but mine had diagrams!
26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM
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I do sometimes need pictures.
26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM
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Where exactly did you get those numbers?
27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM
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Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation
27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM
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Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies.
31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM
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I'm not surprised there were missing incidents
31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM
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Norway? Scotland?
25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM
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And yet, the people who do these things tend to be more respectful of guns
25/07/2012 03:44:31 PM
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Well working with dangeorus items tends to lead to respect and caution or a Darwin Award
25/07/2012 04:52:13 PM
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I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people
25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM
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Re: guns
25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM
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what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns?
25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM
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My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM*
25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM
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Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM
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Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM
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Putting your hand on something is a little different then shooting someone
25/07/2012 08:13:59 PM
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The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic
25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM
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Bullshit
26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM
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I call Bullshit on your Bullshit
26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM
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Or
26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM
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There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater
26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM
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HE was talking about normal people.
26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM
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i have pretty strong feelings that they should be better regulated than they currently are
25/07/2012 03:18:10 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong....
25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM
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I believe it was the ammunition he bought in large amounts online, not the guns themselves.
25/07/2012 07:22:31 PM
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Yes and I am glad it's not my problem.
25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM
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Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant
25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM
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Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone.
26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM
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Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense
25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM
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They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM*
26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM
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they don't typically bring guns here either
26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM
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That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers
26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM
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Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun
25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM
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the argument of if America should have a lot guns is a long over
26/07/2012 03:29:50 PM
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See, there's another one of those BS stats tricks, 'family members' includes suicides and murder
26/07/2012 06:47:54 PM
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Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms.
26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM
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assault rifles are banned
26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM
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I know the distinction. That's why I want a more clearly defined term for "assault weapon."
27/07/2012 09:46:11 AM
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Then stay away from the hyperbole because an Uzi is a sub machinegun so it is banned
27/07/2012 01:48:50 PM
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