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Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM
To Americans who keep repeating the unbearable "guns don't kill people", I say: "neither do atomic bombs", so why not let Iran have some?

Well, why not? We let insane communist dictators have them, we let Pakistan have them. What is wrong with Iran? The idea that Iran or North Korea will ever get sufficient nuclear capability to more than a pinprick of harm to the US before we wipe them off the map is ridiculous.
Not a nice thought, eh? Items that go around will get used, and in the worst way possible.
If you want that to be your argument, then maybe you shouldn't use that inane statement immediately after your nuclear weapon analogy. It's been almost 67 years next month and we're still waiting for one of the many other countries in the world with nuclear weapons to use them. While I disapprove of our use of the nuclear bombs on Japan, there are many arguments in support of that action that undercut your assertion that they will automatically be used in the worst way possible.

It should be super hard to get your hands on one, period.
It's also silly to base the right to wear arms on that old piece of paper. It's nice to stick to the good parts, freedom etc. but if the constitution said the earth was flat, you'd also still go with that? Also silly.
I really hope this is sort of parody, otherwise: It's the law of the land, Dumbass, not a religious tract or a scientific proposal. If you don't like what it says, you change it through the proscribed methods, you don't just go around ignoring it. That piece of paper outlaws slavery, lets women vote

I don't even wanna get into it all that much, because it's none of my business but the arguments portrayed (not necessarily in this thread) are sometimes beyond comprehension.
Especially the stance "if only every victim in the theater had a gun to fire back" makes me shake my head. What is this, the fucking Wild West?
Unfortunately no. The wild west had a much lower murder rate, and no one opened fire on rooms full of people, because they WERE afraid of getting shot back.

It's a vicious circle. Burglars wear guns because they expect the house owner to have one.

Burglars don't expect to get caught! That's the point of burglar, as opposed to armed robbery. You are plainly too ignorant to be offering opinions, let alone whether or not it's your business. Even setting aside the absurd claim that burglars often or usually carry guns, or that they do so out of fear of the homeowners, there is the mind-blowing lack of moral or ethical reasoning behind your claim. Homeowners have every right to protect their homes, and no one, under any circumstances should be required to forgo some action because it will be deleterious to the well-being of those who break the law. The first official who tries to enforce a law like that, is exactly the sort of person everyone should turn their guns against.

And the house owner gets better guns because he knows the burglar will bring one.
You're a moron. Homeowners don't get guns because they fear burglars with guns, they get guns for ANY burglar! Armed or unarmed! Preferably the latter! No one in their right mind wants a fair fight, and if every homeowner knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that no burglar would every carry a gun, they would STILL purchase guns to protect their homes, just like armed robbers would STILL carry guns if they knew no victim would be carrying one on their person!

By your retarded logic, the guy in Colorado only brought a rifle into the theater, because he expected the other patrons to have rifles of their own.

It can only get uglier from there. Of course there is hardly a way back from this situation.

Beyond hunting or sports I don't see why anyone should have a gun beyond a regular 6-barrel one.

Who has a six-barrel gun?!?! WTF are you talking about?

Anyway, the purpose of the Second Amendment is not to have guns for hunting or sports. Arguably, the first clause of the Second Amendment could be used to SUPPORT a ban on hunting or sports weapons. That clause cites that the purpose of the ban on infringing the people's weapon rights is to secure a free state. The Second Amendment not only permits cop-killer bullets and combat weaponry, it all but mandates their ownership. The whole point of the Second Amendment is to turn your weapons against the government and its agents and officials in order to prevent their infringement of your other natural and civil rights. The second amendment does not cover hunting or sport weapons, because water fowl, deer, clay pigeons and paper targets do not constitute threats to civil liberties, to "the security of a free state." Therefore, the only Constitutionally-sanctioned use of firearms is armed rebellion. However, the precise wording of the amendment means no excuses, ifs, ands or buts. The "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Therefore, any law infringing on those rights, for whatever reason, is unconstitutional. A place like a movie theater, being a privately-owned establishment, has the right to refuse entry to those bearing arms, and even to have its own employees or authorized agents use arms against those who fail to comply, but the Constitution forbids the government from doing anything about either situation.

Certainly none that can shoot dozens of people within seconds. But since it seems to insult certain people just to think that way, the best one could hope for are more restrictions, tests and waiting periods.
So the only mass murderers can be the dedicated and patient kind? Meanwhile, putting authorization for weapons in the hands of the very people the weapons are legally intended to be used against. That's like asking the soldiers deployed abroad to get permission from al-Quaeda to carry weapons.
Cannoli
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Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control? - 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM 1326 Views
Kind of? - 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM 770 Views
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A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too. - 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM 744 Views
Feisty. - 25/07/2012 09:54:31 PM 847 Views
I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything - 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM 685 Views
I am mostly in agreement with you. - 26/07/2012 02:11:56 AM 559 Views
Fully automatic weapons are already forbidden, aren't they? - 27/07/2012 02:19:57 AM 680 Views
Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US) - 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM 757 Views
I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. - 25/07/2012 11:41:13 AM 816 Views
Re: I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. - 25/07/2012 01:21:36 PM 696 Views
Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns - 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM 893 Views
I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM 795 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM 696 Views
Re: - 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM 743 Views
Okay, that makes no sense - 25/07/2012 04:32:28 PM 746 Views
Re: Re: - 25/07/2012 05:50:23 PM 770 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM 793 Views
I understand, but you probably should if time permits - 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM 900 Views
It is unlikely to, for a while. - 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM 784 Views
Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though - 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM 718 Views
... his was shorter? - 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM 635 Views
Yeah but mine had diagrams! - 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM 717 Views
I do sometimes need pictures. - 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM 582 Views
Re: I do sometimes need pictures. - 26/07/2012 04:57:57 PM 716 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2012 05:23:11 PM 361 Views
Where exactly did you get those numbers? - 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM 732 Views
He's right as far as numbers go. - 27/07/2012 08:08:02 PM 773 Views
Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation - 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM 798 Views
Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies. - 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM 708 Views
I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM 688 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 09:14:34 PM 669 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 11:56:05 PM 830 Views
Norway? Scotland? - 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM 680 Views
You can keep this up - 25/07/2012 09:56:28 PM 658 Views
Hi, Cannoli. - 25/07/2012 10:30:56 PM 690 Views
well it could have at least double posted the edited version - 26/07/2012 10:40:32 PM 635 Views
Most of those numbers come from inner city violence - 26/07/2012 10:40:34 PM 843 Views
Re: Hi, Cannoli. - 09/08/2012 09:07:03 PM 742 Views
The UK tightened gun laws after the Dunblane massacre. - 25/07/2012 10:58:08 PM 614 Views
I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people - 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM 741 Views
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Bullshit - 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM 791 Views
I call Bullshit on your Bullshit - 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM 702 Views
Or - 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM 618 Views
There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater - 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM 619 Views
HE was talking about normal people. - 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM 728 Views
I think we are talking past each other - 26/07/2012 05:55:48 PM 688 Views
Possibly. We do do that. - 26/07/2012 06:52:58 PM 721 Views
In addition to random thoughts's points... - 26/07/2012 03:10:56 PM 635 Views
You're partially right but mostly wrong - 26/07/2012 05:46:27 PM 707 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong.... - 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM 859 Views
You're wrong - 25/07/2012 04:37:22 PM 640 Views
Yes. - 25/07/2012 05:09:36 PM 643 Views
Yes and I am glad it's not my problem. - 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM 771 Views
Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant - 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM 847 Views
Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone. - 26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM 667 Views
Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense - 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM 693 Views
It makes lots of sense, actually. - 25/07/2012 11:55:59 PM 671 Views
They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM 335 Views
they don't typically bring guns here either - 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM 762 Views
That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers - 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM 650 Views
Ha! - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 PM 540 Views
One of my Marine friends became a Fort Worth cop when he got out - 26/07/2012 03:11:12 PM 739 Views
You get some wild stories - 26/07/2012 06:09:52 PM 744 Views
Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun - 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM 642 Views
Agreed. It's really a lot like health care, in a way. - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 AM 753 Views
Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms. - 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM 719 Views
assault rifles are banned - 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM 675 Views
Touchy - 28/07/2012 04:33:46 AM 854 Views

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