There are conflicting medical evaluations of his sanity.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/06/2012 12:20:41 AM
He did the crimes, he admits it, there is no doubt in anyone's mind whatsoever concerning the fact that he did it, and they aren't going to acquit him like he wants, so the whole procedure just seems like one pointless farce. If I was a relative of one of the victims, I would be furious for being put through months of a trial of a man everyone knows is guilty of the crime.
Yet another of the many frustrating and troubling wrinkles here. But, yes, the world knows he did it; the question is the appropriate response, and the first step is determining if he was sane when he did it and is sane now. From all I have heard he has no more chance of ever being free again than Manson does, but that nominal chance may be marginally higher if he is declared insane; I honestly do not know.
Nor do I know whether he belongs in fengsel (prison) for 21 years and forvaring (which the wife translates as "custody") for the rest of his life, or belongs in a mental institution for the rest of his life. I lean toward the former for security, because he has the sociopaths dangerous combination of great determination and intellect. On the other hand, he clearly recognizes the immorality and consequences of his actions, so is he really a sociopath? The whole case is studded with contradictions like that, which is much of what complicates the issue. Of course, if he is found sane he becomes an infamous political extremist like Gabriel Princip who may inspire others, whereas if he is fond insane he is just another dangerous but ignominious lunatic, and anyone pushing the same agenda by the same means will have their statements similarly dismissed. Honestly, it may be the best argument for the death penalty I have ever seen.
If it is simply a matter of him being sane or insane, surely that would be a job for special psychiatric teams and evaluations and the like, not a large and lengthy public trial? And in any case, the whole incident just points out that Norway needs to change their 21 year prison limit. Sure they can put anyone away by pretending the person is insane, and in this case certainly will, but where's the integrity? Just change the damn law, and if they feel really uncomfortable locking people up for some long periods, leave a provision saying it can only be done for the most heinous of acts.
Then you have the slippery slope argument they sought to avoid by setting an absolute limit, though I agree 21 years is far too short, especially since, as I understand it, they do not allow sentences for multiple crimes to be served concurrently (else 70 counts of first degree murder would moot the whole issue.) However, trying to avoid the hypocrisy of committing a sane murderer just to keep him off the street, or the injustice of imprisoning a criminally insane man, is precisely what they seek to avoid. And again, it is not helped by the fact that Breivik seems to have feigned being suicidal and other things at one point, producing a medical judgement he is insane, then changed his mind, decided to behave sanely, and produced a medical judgement he is THAT. Stuff like that is why I worry about committing him to a mental asylum; if whether doctors judge him sane or not is entirely dependent on which diagnose he wants, I prefer him in prison where I know he will not be able to convince someone he is no longer a threat and cheerfully take his leave to go on another killing spree.
Then, of course, there is his claim that an unexploded bomb recently found at a Swedish nuclear plant was placed by his "brethren." This one is NOT easy; I do not envy that jury. I take what comfort I can in the near certainty he will never see the light of day regardless.
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This message last edited by Joel on 23/06/2012 at 12:25:13 AM
Umm...so is the bizarro world located in Norway?
22/06/2012 05:33:25 PM
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If the prosecution thinks the person is insane, then it should urge for insanity
22/06/2012 05:48:19 PM
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Yes; one of the most peaceful places on Earth was the site of the worst shooting rampage in history.
22/06/2012 08:57:34 PM
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Every time I see it mentioned on the news I wonder about the purpose of it
22/06/2012 11:57:17 PM
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There are conflicting medical evaluations of his sanity.
23/06/2012 12:20:41 AM
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I'm proud of the way the court system has handled this case
23/06/2012 09:18:55 AM
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Agreed. Norway's response has been a victory for civilisation against terrorism from start to finish
23/06/2012 10:03:29 AM
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It all seems sensible to me, and something for other justice systems to aspire towards.
23/06/2012 11:16:02 AM
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