Thanksgiving was a purely federal institution. FDR dictated the date it's celebrated
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 30/05/2012 03:22:09 AM
I think that the relative distinction here is that Christmas appears on church calendars as a Holy Day. As does Easter, All Saint's Day, Holy Week, Pentecost, etc.
Thanksgiving may have been started by religious people, but as far as I'm aware, it doesn't appear on any religions list of "Holy Days of Obligation".
Thanksgiving may have been started by religious people, but as far as I'm aware, it doesn't appear on any religions list of "Holy Days of Obligation".
People signed a document with all sorts of religious references and prayers in it on July 4 1776, citing Divine authority as their sole justification, so that has as much claim to religious origin as anything about Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is more of a secular religious holiday, rather than possessing any religious significance in its own right. It's more historical, such as if the Church had the guts to celebrate the anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem by the First Crusade. A secular remembrance of a religious event, made into a legal institution for commercial reasons. You can't water down a religious holiday any more than that.
Also, Christmas is not much of a religious holiday, it is almost like two coincidental celebrations, one cultural (I know of Jews who do the tree & gifts thing who wouldn't be caught dead in a church, and would not sully Channukah with practices carried over from that gentile custom) and the other religious, and the two kinds of observance are seldom intertwined. The government does not recognize Christmas as a holiday because they honor the birth of Jesus, they recognize it as a holiday because nobody would get any work done if they did come in, and they all want to be home with their families anyway. The legalization of the Christmas holiday was more of a de jure recognition of a de facto institution.
By the way, New Years Day is a Holy Day of Obligation for Roman Catholics in the USA. It is the celebration of the Feast of the Circumcision, because it falls one week from Christmas. Both the observance of the Nativity and the Circumcision have absolutely nothing to do with the actual contemporary practices of exchanging gifts and celebrating the changing of the calender, and to the extent that the secular practices have any religious origins, they have become so divorced from those origins that said origins no longer have any meaning for the practitioners.
My family exchanges gifts and meets for a meal on December 25, because we are Americans. We go to Mass at midnight earlier in that morning, following four weeks of penitential observance, because we are Roman Catholic. If we changed religions all at once, we would still do the former. If we ended up in a situation or place where the former was not practicable, we would still observe the latter religious practices. Really, I think of the two aspects as distinct from one another, which is why I don't pay any attention to the War on Christmas stuff, and in practice, most other people do so as well.
Thanksgiving? Not even on the radar. That has absolutely no religious context for me, and people like me or anyone I have ever seen that is not a TV character (and usually not on a good show - you never see 24 or The Wire characters going around the table saying what they are thankful for). In fact, I would say Independence Day has more of a religious connotation for me, because my political views are based on what I believe "the laws of Nature's God entitle" people to have.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
For Our Nordmenn: What Happens to Federal Religious Holidays in the Absence of a State Church?
27/05/2012 01:33:20 PM
- 1081 Views
Nothing, they are federal holidays still because of strong unions, not religion
27/05/2012 06:58:52 PM
- 502 Views
Hypocrisy FTW, eh?
27/05/2012 11:04:38 PM
- 648 Views
No.
27/05/2012 11:16:11 PM
- 470 Views
Again, some people manifestly care; just not enough to relinquish a paid holiday.
28/05/2012 01:48:26 AM
- 498 Views
Nothing.
27/05/2012 07:03:07 PM
- 462 Views
Replacing it with another, secular, holiday seems the responsible thing to do.
27/05/2012 11:15:11 PM
- 432 Views
People. Don't. Care.
27/05/2012 11:29:07 PM
- 490 Views
If people did not care, disestablishmentarianism (and its antithesis) would not exist.
28/05/2012 01:41:18 AM
- 610 Views
Most of them are stolen from heden traditions and have nothing to do with christianity.
27/05/2012 07:15:55 PM
- 679 Views
Since two resident history buffs recently excoriated me for that claim, I have no wish to revisit it
27/05/2012 11:27:13 PM
- 599 Views
Thanksgiving isn't a religious holiday.
27/05/2012 08:43:58 PM
- 536 Views
That is rather debatable.
28/05/2012 12:08:53 AM
- 598 Views
The Distinction
29/05/2012 07:41:47 PM
- 551 Views
Thanksgiving was a purely federal institution. FDR dictated the date it's celebrated
30/05/2012 03:22:09 AM
- 488 Views
That distinction would be an almost wholly Roman Catholic (or possibly Greek Orthodox) one.
01/06/2012 01:47:12 AM
- 443 Views
How do you come to four for Canada?
27/05/2012 11:29:57 PM
- 430 Views
Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather than just statutory ones.
28/05/2012 02:03:55 AM
- 585 Views
Re: Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather...
28/05/2012 04:31:14 AM
- 489 Views
Well, you know better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
28/05/2012 04:08:31 PM
- 659 Views
Re: Well, you no better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
29/05/2012 01:15:52 AM
- 474 Views
Ireland has a tonne of religious public holidays yet no state religion.
28/05/2012 12:48:55 AM
- 505 Views
I wondered how that would shake out for the rest of Europe, or at least Western Europe.
28/05/2012 02:29:16 AM
- 525 Views
It's funny how you use "federal" to mean "mandated by national government".
28/05/2012 03:49:17 PM
- 464 Views
I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:26:38 PM
- 492 Views
Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:50:32 PM
- 464 Views
Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
01/06/2012 02:03:40 AM
- 655 Views
I think you've got the Scotland Act backwards.
01/06/2012 09:48:36 AM
- 587 Views
There's a lot of countries that call "devolution" federalism, though.
01/06/2012 09:52:23 PM
- 560 Views
What about when most of the country is still under central control?
02/06/2012 10:25:47 AM
- 463 Views