One day Republicans and internet trolls alike will learn not to say weird shit to people like me.
Dan Send a noteboard - 15/03/2012 12:30:17 AM
See, weird shit alienates people. Like when Romney says he'll "get rid of" Planned Parenthood, or rails at Obama for being a foreign policy failure despite recently killing Bin Laden. See, normal independents don't feel very strongly about abortion and social issues, and don't want people to make a big point about them. They also kind of like birth control. Also, they feel like Obama's done a decent job in terms of foreign policy, and are really wary people who talk shit about another war. See, we don't want another fucking war. Not under any circumstances. It's a drain on everything, and can never be worth it. Iran is not Germany for us.
Now, the problem is the inevitable responses from people online, or in person, who are true believers. You'll probably out-argue me. You might out-argue me with rolled eyes, or invective, or condescension. You might say "SO YOU REALLY ARE A LIBERAL". Or it might just be 8 paragraphs of arcane reasoning. Either way, you'll win. And I hope that makes you feel good about yourselves that you won the argument, because you'll lose the vote. See, most independents don't really care to argue about it, and will just walk away. And then they'll vote for the guy who's not that fucking weird, or doesn't seem like an asshole. And despite winning every debate on cable news and on the internet and everywhere in between, somehow the Republicans will lose the election. And it won't be vote fraud, it'll be because you all came off like crazy assholes.
Note 1: This can all easily apply to the Democrats too, and does regularly. I'm just framing it this way because of the national election currently, and right now, to Independents, Obama seems less fucking weird.
Note 2: No, I don't really think I know exactly what all Independents are thinking, I'm being a bit hyperbolic. But I am speaking for my family, which is white and upper middle-class and tends to vote Republican and tends to be very politically incorrect. My family thinks the Republicans are a bunch of assholes. This is a very bad thing for the Republican party if we think this. Feel free, anyone, to say that my family's dumb or just liberals or drinking the koolaid. Feel free to win this argument! I know who we're all voting for in November, and who's fault it is.
Now, the problem is the inevitable responses from people online, or in person, who are true believers. You'll probably out-argue me. You might out-argue me with rolled eyes, or invective, or condescension. You might say "SO YOU REALLY ARE A LIBERAL". Or it might just be 8 paragraphs of arcane reasoning. Either way, you'll win. And I hope that makes you feel good about yourselves that you won the argument, because you'll lose the vote. See, most independents don't really care to argue about it, and will just walk away. And then they'll vote for the guy who's not that fucking weird, or doesn't seem like an asshole. And despite winning every debate on cable news and on the internet and everywhere in between, somehow the Republicans will lose the election. And it won't be vote fraud, it'll be because you all came off like crazy assholes.
Note 1: This can all easily apply to the Democrats too, and does regularly. I'm just framing it this way because of the national election currently, and right now, to Independents, Obama seems less fucking weird.
Note 2: No, I don't really think I know exactly what all Independents are thinking, I'm being a bit hyperbolic. But I am speaking for my family, which is white and upper middle-class and tends to vote Republican and tends to be very politically incorrect. My family thinks the Republicans are a bunch of assholes. This is a very bad thing for the Republican party if we think this. Feel free, anyone, to say that my family's dumb or just liberals or drinking the koolaid. Feel free to win this argument! I know who we're all voting for in November, and who's fault it is.
forget for a minute whether or not you prefer one candidate over another, or their electability to the general population. i am wondering if any of the candidates can put together an organization which can pose a threat to obama's re-election. gingrich and santorum could not even get on the ballot in at least two states each. romney apparently did not have anyone working for him in ohio, he basically spent a ton of money getting ads on tv instead of actually campaigning like a real candidate.
all of this speaks to me that none of the current candidates has the organizational skills to put up a sustained, national election campaign against a president who is not as popular as he was the first time, but who definitely has the organization to put people on the ground in all 50 states.
all of this speaks to me that none of the current candidates has the organizational skills to put up a sustained, national election campaign against a president who is not as popular as he was the first time, but who definitely has the organization to put people on the ground in all 50 states.
This message last edited by Dan on 15/03/2012 at 12:44:53 AM
can *any* republican pose a challenge to obama in november?
14/03/2012 04:06:59 AM
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Yes, absolutely.....
14/03/2012 04:12:30 AM
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"anybody but obama" is not a winning strategy
14/03/2012 02:28:23 PM
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It can definitely work.....don't compare 2012 to 2004.
14/03/2012 02:44:39 PM
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this is why it will be 2004 all over again if romney is nominated
16/03/2012 02:22:26 PM
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It sure as Hell is, as long as the candidate is moderate
14/03/2012 03:04:10 PM
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Did you vote for Obama in 2008?
14/03/2012 03:47:55 PM
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Yes I did. If Romney is the candidate, I will vote Romney this year. *NM*
14/03/2012 08:39:41 PM
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Strongly qualifying your statement really weakens the "anyone". *NM*
14/03/2012 10:14:45 PM
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The statement "anyone but Obama" can be a rallying cry, but only for the right candidates.
16/03/2012 01:47:48 AM
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somehow i don't see romney having much credibility versus obama
16/03/2012 02:16:32 PM
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Spoken like a true Obama partisan
16/03/2012 04:18:21 PM
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actually, i did not vote for obama in 2008 and i won't this time either
17/03/2012 01:02:09 PM
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Sure, if Israel hits Iran and Obama looks weak.
14/03/2012 04:56:23 AM
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i think iran/israel is probably the biggest issue at the moment
14/03/2012 02:25:29 PM
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I would put serious money on an Israeli attack before the election.
14/03/2012 02:56:55 PM
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I know that I would consider voting for Romney
14/03/2012 01:05:47 PM
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If you will pardon an impertinent question: Why?
14/03/2012 03:26:01 PM
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Because Obama is a complete and utter failure.....
14/03/2012 03:44:14 PM
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Again, I get Republicans voting Anybody but Obama, but not how anyone can be comfortable w/ Romney.
14/03/2012 04:06:14 PM
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Pre-convention only the incumbents favorability ratings matter much
14/03/2012 01:19:04 PM
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obama is not popular, but at least he has the ability to organize a national campaign
14/03/2012 02:18:04 PM
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No, the democratic party does, so does the GOP
14/03/2012 03:16:31 PM
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That's true- despite how divisive the primaries seem, the GOP will unite behind the winner
14/03/2012 03:44:16 PM
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Re: That's true- despite how divisive the primaries seem, the GOP will unite behind the winner
14/03/2012 03:59:25 PM
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Actually, my experience has been a lot of libs mean it when they say they will not for anyone.
14/03/2012 04:19:46 PM
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I don't want to grossly over-generalize but there are distinct trends to party demographics
14/03/2012 06:04:09 PM
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I was thinking no, and here's my rationale:
14/03/2012 03:41:21 PM
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Much as it pains me to agree with trzaska, he is absolutely right in this case.
14/03/2012 04:21:43 PM
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Interesting. So you guys are basically saying I'm right, but it might not matter
14/03/2012 04:53:48 PM
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Yeah, pretty much, and I would even say that is the trend in all Dem vs. Rep elections.
14/03/2012 04:59:30 PM
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Yes and no
14/03/2012 06:23:47 PM
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Conservative cookies nomz. But I think you missed my main point...
14/03/2012 07:02:10 PM
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Conservative cookies nomz. But I think you missed my main point...
14/03/2012 07:09:24 PM
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And the cookies are not a lie... at last night's meeting, we had Thin Mints
15/03/2012 09:51:30 PM
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Yeah, I just meant perception
16/03/2012 02:39:30 AM
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One day Republicans and internet trolls alike will learn not to say weird shit to people like me.
15/03/2012 12:30:17 AM
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I like this post.
15/03/2012 08:40:07 PM
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I don't mean to disrespect your seal, but it looks more like a cat. *NM*
15/03/2012 08:52:26 PM
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You've obviously never heard of a kitten seal, Mr. I-Write-An-Animal-Blog. *NM*
15/03/2012 09:38:47 PM
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Maybe it's a leopard seal. That someone put a cat-ear band on. *NM*
15/03/2012 10:07:46 PM
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Does it matter if they do? At this point, does it matter who is president? Probably not.
16/03/2012 02:11:45 AM
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