I don't want to grossly over-generalize but there are distinct trends to party demographics
Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2012 06:04:09 PM
It is one of reason endorsements can actually matter. Republicans tend to be a lot better about being team players, as well as more inclined to vote for SOMEONE out of civic duty. I know many liberals who refuse to vote because they consider no candidate deserving, and have a good friend who long insisted voting makes one culpable for all government failures and wrongdoing.
Older voters, and old here probably loosely meaning 'over 40' just tends to think more about down-ticket and show up to vote even if they loathe the whole pack of prominent, out of force of habit, out of worry who will make Trustee, council, school board, etc, out of the knowledge someone they know will call up and be like 'Dorothy said you didn't come by the poll and we was worried' especially out in the country where the old ladies manning the precinct polling table really do know the life history of almost everyone who walks in the door. I'm sure a lot of it is general psychology by ideology but a lot is probably just age and the tendency for the GOP to have more of the older demographic proportionately.
My own impression is that, historically, Republicans tend to suffer far less than Democrats from divisive primaries, with the notable exception of when TR ran for a third term as an independent, spawning the Progressive Party in the process. You guys do not have to deal with herding cats or holding a big tent together; the only real concern is that Libertarians might say, "a pox on both their houses," but that is always a concern. With Dems it seems the whole party is like that, refusing to vote for anyone who does not cater to their own personal interest, or "stole" the nomination from their personal hero.
Oh very, in the current GOP climate, in my area anyway, people (other than Paul supporters who are mostly younger) don't actually care much who wins the primary personally and conversation mostly goes 'Well I hope it's Romney because...' w/ "I want this race over" or "He seems like he has a better organization", there are doubtless tons of exceptions but I think on the whole there's a decided enthusiasm gap between the parties, and "I'll vote for anyone except Satan over Obama... and maybe him too" going around this year but it's not really much of an abnormality. Republicans just tend to vote with higher frequency but I'd still bet at least half of that effect, the whole 'pray for rain' aspect of it, is just a matter of age, old Dems drag themselves to the polls every time too, maybe more of them would leave the circle empty but I don't really know. I do know that I'm hip deep with the local GOP and I can't really remember a single conversation this year that resulted in a more negative response on Romney then 'Yeah, he's okay but I'd prefer someone else', and with this group, every last one will have a sign for him in their yard this fall, even if it says Santorum now.
That is also the biggest threat to Obamas re-election: Not that people who voted for him last time will vote for Romney, but that they will stay home while the far more energized GOP anti-Obama base rushes to the polls to defeat him. As a general rule, I think any Democrat needs a lead of a few extra points simply because their turnout less reliable than the GOPs.
Polls of Americans vs Registered Voters vs Likely Voters, yeah that's always a big one. I don't think there's room for a landslide or even a solid win for Obama, and I don't think he can rely on a wave of new voters energized in the numbers or enthusiasm of '08 and he can't rely on Mitt sticking his foot in his mouth because the only foot-in-mouth Mitt ever does is things that reinforce his image as a Ken Doll or as uber-wealthy, and those are already stuck and have been for years, they can't really get worse and he never had a chance to remove the image and frankly being a walking political stereotype can only hurt you so much, you just can't move numbers heavy against someone for appearing to be what half the population thinks all politicians are anyway.
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can *any* republican pose a challenge to obama in november?
14/03/2012 04:06:59 AM
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Yes, absolutely.....
14/03/2012 04:12:30 AM
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"anybody but obama" is not a winning strategy
14/03/2012 02:28:23 PM
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It can definitely work.....don't compare 2012 to 2004.
14/03/2012 02:44:39 PM
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this is why it will be 2004 all over again if romney is nominated
16/03/2012 02:22:26 PM
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It sure as Hell is, as long as the candidate is moderate
14/03/2012 03:04:10 PM
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Did you vote for Obama in 2008?
14/03/2012 03:47:55 PM
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Yes I did. If Romney is the candidate, I will vote Romney this year. *NM*
14/03/2012 08:39:41 PM
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Strongly qualifying your statement really weakens the "anyone". *NM*
14/03/2012 10:14:45 PM
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The statement "anyone but Obama" can be a rallying cry, but only for the right candidates.
16/03/2012 01:47:48 AM
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somehow i don't see romney having much credibility versus obama
16/03/2012 02:16:32 PM
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Spoken like a true Obama partisan
16/03/2012 04:18:21 PM
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actually, i did not vote for obama in 2008 and i won't this time either
17/03/2012 01:02:09 PM
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Sure, if Israel hits Iran and Obama looks weak.
14/03/2012 04:56:23 AM
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i think iran/israel is probably the biggest issue at the moment
14/03/2012 02:25:29 PM
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I would put serious money on an Israeli attack before the election.
14/03/2012 02:56:55 PM
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I know that I would consider voting for Romney
14/03/2012 01:05:47 PM
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If you will pardon an impertinent question: Why?
14/03/2012 03:26:01 PM
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Because Obama is a complete and utter failure.....
14/03/2012 03:44:14 PM
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Again, I get Republicans voting Anybody but Obama, but not how anyone can be comfortable w/ Romney.
14/03/2012 04:06:14 PM
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Pre-convention only the incumbents favorability ratings matter much
14/03/2012 01:19:04 PM
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obama is not popular, but at least he has the ability to organize a national campaign
14/03/2012 02:18:04 PM
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No, the democratic party does, so does the GOP
14/03/2012 03:16:31 PM
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That's true- despite how divisive the primaries seem, the GOP will unite behind the winner
14/03/2012 03:44:16 PM
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Re: That's true- despite how divisive the primaries seem, the GOP will unite behind the winner
14/03/2012 03:59:25 PM
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Actually, my experience has been a lot of libs mean it when they say they will not for anyone.
14/03/2012 04:19:46 PM
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I don't want to grossly over-generalize but there are distinct trends to party demographics
14/03/2012 06:04:09 PM
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I was thinking no, and here's my rationale:
14/03/2012 03:41:21 PM
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Much as it pains me to agree with trzaska, he is absolutely right in this case.
14/03/2012 04:21:43 PM
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Interesting. So you guys are basically saying I'm right, but it might not matter
14/03/2012 04:53:48 PM
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Yeah, pretty much, and I would even say that is the trend in all Dem vs. Rep elections.
14/03/2012 04:59:30 PM
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Yes and no
14/03/2012 06:23:47 PM
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Conservative cookies nomz. But I think you missed my main point...
14/03/2012 07:02:10 PM
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Conservative cookies nomz. But I think you missed my main point...
14/03/2012 07:09:24 PM
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And the cookies are not a lie... at last night's meeting, we had Thin Mints
15/03/2012 09:51:30 PM
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Yeah, I just meant perception
16/03/2012 02:39:30 AM
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One day Republicans and internet trolls alike will learn not to say weird shit to people like me.
15/03/2012 12:30:17 AM
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I like this post.
15/03/2012 08:40:07 PM
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I don't mean to disrespect your seal, but it looks more like a cat. *NM*
15/03/2012 08:52:26 PM
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You've obviously never heard of a kitten seal, Mr. I-Write-An-Animal-Blog. *NM*
15/03/2012 09:38:47 PM
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Maybe it's a leopard seal. That someone put a cat-ear band on. *NM*
15/03/2012 10:07:46 PM
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Does it matter if they do? At this point, does it matter who is president? Probably not.
16/03/2012 02:11:45 AM
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