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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? Joel Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM
Read Norwich, Byzantium, Vol. I: The Early Centuries, chapters 17-18, and Byzantium, Vol. II: The Apogee, chapters 2-5; The Oxford History of Byzantium, chapters 6-7 (and see p. 189, which sums up the Schism quickly: "The rise of the Normans in southern Italy coincided with growing strains in papal relationships with both powers: with Germany, because of the minority of Henry IV and then the latter's hostility to Church reform; with Byzantium, because of the age-old dispute over ecclesiastical jurisdiction in southern Italy, coupled with controversy over doctrine, papal supremacy, and liturgical usage which erupted in a dramatic exchange of excommunications in 1054 that is conventionally seen as the beginning of the schism between the eastern and western Churches"); Eamon Duffy, Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes, chapter 2; Norwich, Absolute Monarchs: A History of the Papacy, Chapter VIII.

I could continue this, but it's futile considering that not only are you an ignorant ass on this subject, but you just refuse to listen to anything that is said to you. And you wonder why people dismiss your rants.

Just to be clear, you are saying iconoclasm does not fall under the heading of "controversy over doctrine"?
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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM 689 Views
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And re: particular bullshit - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 706 Views
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