I am obviously no professional scholar
You're not much of an amateur one, either.
The rest of my statement is speculation
Like everything that came before it, and after.
However if Constantinople was also still preaching to pagans (which you may recall I only claimed had "largely" ceased "in Asia Minor") that was not given urgency by the threat Rome faced of being overrun by a pagan onslaught.
By the eighth century AD the only threat to Rome from non-Christian forces was from the Muslims. Just as preaching had stopped in Asia Minor (because everyone was Christian) in the East, it stopped in Italy and France in the West (because everyone was Christian). It continued in Saxony in the West and in the Balkans in the East. Your statement is irrelevant in the first part and wrong in the second.
I imagine Constantinoples tendency to alternate between using Rome as a pagan foil and abandoning Italy to marauding pagans did not help relations between the Eastern and Western Churchs either.
In addition to making grammatical and spelling errors (churchs indeed), this sentence is once again dead wrong, in all its particulars. Constantinople didn't do anything of the sort, and furthermore, for much of the first iconoclastic period most of the Popes were Greeks who had been appointed due to Byzantine control over much of Italy. Oh wait, but that doesn't help your narrative, does it?
Its significance, so far as I can tell, lies not in the Pope attacking iconoclasm, but the Empresses through the Patriach of Constantinople attacking icons, which exacerbated existing theological and secular competition between the two churches that culminated in the formal Schism.
Wow, you really don't know anything about this issue, do you? Leo III (from monophysite and Islamic-controlled Syria) started iconoclasm, probably due to his background, and it was the Empress Irene that stopped it the first time. Leo V (the Armenian) started the second wave, which was ended by Empress Theodora, widow of Theophilos. The emperors started iconoclastic movements, the empresses stopped them.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West?
10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM
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I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM*
10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM
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I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not?
10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM
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If the divine made men...
10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM
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True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine.
10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM
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I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed.
10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM
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But you do comparable things all the time!
10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM
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You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable
10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM
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You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have.
11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM
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You're right and wrong.
10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM
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Re: You're right and wrong.
11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM
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Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged
11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM
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Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world.
11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM
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I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions.
11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM
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What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM*
10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM
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I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible.
10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM
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Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.)
11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM
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What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"?
10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM
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That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism.
11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM
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I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship.
11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM
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It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did.
11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM
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Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal.
11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM
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Mierda.del.Toro
11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM
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1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question
12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM
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You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments
12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM
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On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible.
13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM
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ο κοπρος. του ταυρου.
11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM
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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next?
12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM
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No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp.
12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM
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Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself.
13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM
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And re: particular bullshit
11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM
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Give it up already. You are wrong.
12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM
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I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom.
13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM
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More or less your last line
11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM
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That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning.
11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM
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Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well?
11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM
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