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And re: particular bullshit Tom Send a noteboard - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM
I am obviously no professional scholar

You're not much of an amateur one, either.

The rest of my statement is speculation

Like everything that came before it, and after.

However if Constantinople was also still preaching to pagans (which you may recall I only claimed had "largely" ceased "in Asia Minor") that was not given urgency by the threat Rome faced of being overrun by a pagan onslaught.

By the eighth century AD the only threat to Rome from non-Christian forces was from the Muslims. Just as preaching had stopped in Asia Minor (because everyone was Christian) in the East, it stopped in Italy and France in the West (because everyone was Christian). It continued in Saxony in the West and in the Balkans in the East. Your statement is irrelevant in the first part and wrong in the second.

I imagine Constantinoples tendency to alternate between using Rome as a pagan foil and abandoning Italy to marauding pagans did not help relations between the Eastern and Western Churchs either.

In addition to making grammatical and spelling errors (churchs indeed), this sentence is once again dead wrong, in all its particulars. Constantinople didn't do anything of the sort, and furthermore, for much of the first iconoclastic period most of the Popes were Greeks who had been appointed due to Byzantine control over much of Italy. Oh wait, but that doesn't help your narrative, does it?

Its significance, so far as I can tell, lies not in the Pope attacking iconoclasm, but the Empresses through the Patriach of Constantinople attacking icons, which exacerbated existing theological and secular competition between the two churches that culminated in the formal Schism.

Wow, you really don't know anything about this issue, do you? Leo III (from monophysite and Islamic-controlled Syria) started iconoclasm, probably due to his background, and it was the Empress Irene that stopped it the first time. Leo V (the Armenian) started the second wave, which was ended by Empress Theodora, widow of Theophilos. The emperors started iconoclastic movements, the empresses stopped them.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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