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I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM
Some sects, the coarser ones that appeal to common supertitious people, allow for the existence of stuff like 'ghosts' and 'gods' as in the iconic sorts, but in the end those and all other things reduce completely to an impersonal ultimate reality.

Nirvana may be the utmost and fundamental, but without a consciousness it is hard to call it a deity. It saddens me a bit, because Eastern religions (Buddhism more than any other) are great advocates against the destructive effects of pride, but in subordinating all humanity to the God in Whom "we live and move and have our being" (Bible Gateway helpfully notes Paul was quoting Epimenides there ;)) they sacrifice His personality along with ours. Forms and Ideals can find no purchase in that environment, but there IS "an 'I' in 'team,'" without which the admirable holism loses all value and meaning.
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Re: You're right and wrong. - 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM 946 Views
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Duplicate post *NM* - 11/03/2012 03:28:58 PM 405 Views
I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions. - 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM 835 Views
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I'm not telling you to; God is. - 13/03/2012 12:35:45 AM 586 Views
Or can only you use that sort of specious logic? *NM* - 13/03/2012 03:50:20 PM 300 Views
And re: particular bullshit - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 778 Views
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