Pretty much, though I fudged iconoclasms precise definition.
Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2012 12:43:29 AM
The arguments are used in the Bible against gods, rather than God. That is, everyone having their own little polytheistic pantheon that looks just like them and have arms and legs and shit. I guess this approach decrying gods that can be represented and have determinate form is called Iconoclasm. So: most atheist arguments are iconoclastic arguments lifted from the bible and adapted.
Whether venerating an icon is the same as worshipping an idol is the whole basis of the Byzantine debate over the issue, and of course "iconoclasm" is generally understood to have a much broader meaning today. However, the term neatly encapsulates the strongest atheist (and anti-pagan) arguments, even if using it to describe them is imprecise.
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Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West?
10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM
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I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM*
10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM
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I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not?
10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM
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If the divine made men...
10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM
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True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine.
10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM
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I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed.
10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM
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But you do comparable things all the time!
10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM
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You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable
10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM
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You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have.
11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM
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You're right and wrong.
10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM
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Re: You're right and wrong.
11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM
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Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged
11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM
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Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world.
11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM
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I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions.
11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM
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What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM*
10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM
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I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible.
10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM
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Pretty much, though I fudged iconoclasms precise definition.
11/03/2012 12:43:29 AM
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Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.)
11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM
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What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"?
10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM
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That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism.
11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM
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I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship.
11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM
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It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did.
11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM
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Bull. Shit.
11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM
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Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal.
11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM
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Mierda.del.Toro
11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM
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1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question
12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM
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You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments
12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM
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On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible.
13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM
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ο κοπρος. του ταυρου.
11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM
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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next?
12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM
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No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp.
12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM
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Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself.
13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM
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Give it up already. You are wrong.
12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM
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I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom.
13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM
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More or less your last line
11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM
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That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning.
11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM
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Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well?
11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM
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