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But you do comparable things all the time! jh Send a noteboard - 10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM
Possible certainly. I completely reject athiesm as being an irrational position of faith. It is one thing to say there may not be a divine. Quite another to say that there is not.


When you go to bed in the evening, you make the assumption based on your observations that you'll not be hit by a car. To be hit by a car while sleeping on the third floor is by far much more likely than there being a god, and you just ignore the possibility each night? That's stupid, man.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world" - Calvin.
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Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West? Joel - 10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM 1371 Views
I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM 380 Views
I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not? Joel - 10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM 584 Views
If the divine made men... Urza - 10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM 580 Views
True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine. Joel - 10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM 595 Views
I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed. Urza - 10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM 611 Views
Thanks? It is all Dans fault, really. Joel - 10/03/2012 07:21:19 AM 877 Views
But you do comparable things all the time! jh - 10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM 807 Views
You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable Isaac - 10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM 695 Views
You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM 661 Views
... and apparently it was a waste of time Isaac - 11/03/2012 03:27:04 AM 593 Views
Perhaps he just missed it in all my spam? Joel - 11/03/2012 04:59:31 AM 666 Views
Basically what Isaac said. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 07:22:07 PM 332 Views
who? *NM* jh - 11/03/2012 12:00:13 AM 311 Views
Me Caasi - 11/03/2012 03:31:51 AM 643 Views
You're right and wrong. Dan - 10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM 1012 Views
Re: You're right and wrong. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM 916 Views
Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged Dan - 11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM 910 Views
Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM 722 Views
Yeah, that's very true. Dan - 11/03/2012 03:27:09 PM 800 Views
My Buddhist readings are definitely Tibet-focused. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:00:17 PM 869 Views
Duplicate post *NM* Dan - 11/03/2012 03:28:58 PM 395 Views
I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM 812 Views
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM* nossy - 10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM 304 Views
I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible. Dan - 10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM 694 Views
Pretty much, though I fudged iconoclasms precise definition. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:43:29 AM 637 Views
Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.) Joel - 11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM 714 Views
What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"? Tom - 10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM 781 Views
That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM 695 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM 772 Views
I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM 794 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM 653 Views
It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM 737 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM 805 Views
Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal. Joel - 11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM 872 Views
Mierda.del.Toro Larry - 11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM 764 Views
1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM 1023 Views
You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments Larry - 12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM 876 Views
On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM 920 Views
No, you're just the one spewing the bullshit. *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 12:37:15 AM 285 Views
ο κοπρος. του ταυρου. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM 843 Views
Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM 741 Views
No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp. Tom - 12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM 645 Views
Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM 789 Views
I'm not telling you to; God is. Tom - 13/03/2012 12:35:45 AM 565 Views
Or can only you use that sort of specious logic? *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 03:50:20 PM 290 Views
And re: particular bullshit Tom - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 756 Views
Re: And re: particular bullshit Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:42 AM 671 Views
Give it up already. You are wrong. everynametaken - 12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM 954 Views
I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM 595 Views
More or less your last line Cannoli - 11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM 675 Views
That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning. Joel - 11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM 795 Views
Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well? Dan - 11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM 661 Views
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