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If the divine made men... Urza Send a noteboard - 10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM
Then he crafted our nature and in embracing it, all of it, we exalt him.

If the divine did not make men then we have only our nature and ought find joy in embracing it. All of it.
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Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West? Joel - 10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM 1308 Views
I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM 360 Views
I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not? Joel - 10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM 536 Views
If the divine made men... Urza - 10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM 528 Views
True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine. Joel - 10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM 545 Views
I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed. Urza - 10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM 563 Views
Thanks? It is all Dans fault, really. Joel - 10/03/2012 07:21:19 AM 830 Views
But you do comparable things all the time! jh - 10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM 759 Views
You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable Isaac - 10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM 647 Views
You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM 610 Views
... and apparently it was a waste of time Isaac - 11/03/2012 03:27:04 AM 548 Views
Perhaps he just missed it in all my spam? Joel - 11/03/2012 04:59:31 AM 620 Views
Basically what Isaac said. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 07:22:07 PM 311 Views
who? *NM* jh - 11/03/2012 12:00:13 AM 292 Views
Me Caasi - 11/03/2012 03:31:51 AM 579 Views
You're right and wrong. Dan - 10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM 954 Views
Re: You're right and wrong. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM 866 Views
Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged Dan - 11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM 861 Views
Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM 666 Views
Yeah, that's very true. Dan - 11/03/2012 03:27:09 PM 757 Views
My Buddhist readings are definitely Tibet-focused. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:00:17 PM 810 Views
Duplicate post *NM* Dan - 11/03/2012 03:28:58 PM 378 Views
I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM 763 Views
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM* nossy - 10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM 285 Views
I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible. Dan - 10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM 649 Views
Pretty much, though I fudged iconoclasms precise definition. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:43:29 AM 593 Views
Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.) Joel - 11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM 667 Views
What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"? Tom - 10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM 733 Views
That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM 652 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM 730 Views
I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM 741 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM 609 Views
It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM 686 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM 760 Views
Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal. Joel - 11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM 829 Views
Mierda.del.Toro Larry - 11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM 709 Views
1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM 964 Views
You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments Larry - 12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM 826 Views
On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM 868 Views
No, you're just the one spewing the bullshit. *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 12:37:15 AM 269 Views
ο κοπρος. του ταυρου. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM 793 Views
Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM 695 Views
No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp. Tom - 12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM 604 Views
Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM 739 Views
I'm not telling you to; God is. Tom - 13/03/2012 12:35:45 AM 522 Views
Or can only you use that sort of specious logic? *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 03:50:20 PM 267 Views
And re: particular bullshit Tom - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 714 Views
Re: And re: particular bullshit Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:42 AM 621 Views
Give it up already. You are wrong. everynametaken - 12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM 912 Views
I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM 554 Views
More or less your last line Cannoli - 11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM 629 Views
That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning. Joel - 11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM 743 Views
Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well? Dan - 11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM 611 Views
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