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To the extent I can (yet again) claim to speak for Europeans... Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/03/2012 10:33:01 PM
Criticizing American politics is a planetary pastime particularly popular in Europe. I don't think it would really matter if they had legitimate grounds or not. Mostly, for us, it comes down to not wanting a single person with a lot of power in charge and not in a position to grab more, no kings, if POTUS or his foreign equivalent is the only person elected by the entire country in a totally popular vote it's very hard to resist slow power grabs, alternatively one elected by the legislature really can't grab power but my also be fairly useless as a check on them. I like our reasonably balanced method of doing that, not perfect but what is?

It definitely is, but the electoral college really isn't the main point of criticism. People here are far more bothered by the insane and increasingly insane sums required to win elections, particularly now that McCain-Feingold was undermined (okay, I'll grant you, not too many people know what McCain-Feingold is...). The impression people here get, more than anything else, is your presidency almost seems to be for sale - obviously that's a crude over-generalization, but then I'm not talking about my own opinion, but the impressions I get of the general opinion here. The other thing, of course, is the extreme polarization of American politics, thanks to your two party system and 24 hour news cycle - politics have gotten increasingly dirty and "gotcha" everywhere, but in a multiple party system, yesterday's enemy can be tomorrow's ally, so you generally don't want to do too much demonizing that you can't easily retract.

Electoral college isn't exactly something anyone but election geeks care about in Europe, except perhaps in the rare cases of candidates losing the election while winning the popular vote, like Gore in 2000.
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*is learning* - 04/03/2012 09:49:42 PM 652 Views
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Wrong - 04/03/2012 08:08:56 AM 782 Views
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