IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM
Another reason I'm not terribly fond of increasing the youth vote, everybody gets to vote for their senators, congressman, and Gov, most of us get to vote for... I believe I worked out I have 67 positions of various 2,4, and 6 year terms to vote for, plus various levies. Honestly, I don't really want anyone voting for anything if they can't name at least half of those positions and I really don't want to encourage people to vote in droves every four years only to do straight-party ticket without looking at the names or consistently pick Johnny Uniteus over Afold Heitlar even though Afold is dedicated and competent man and Johnny's godfather is well known to all by that sobriquet. I used to be a big fan of getting out the vote, though I've never approved of Popular for POTUS, but these days given a choice I wouldn't even have any other elections simultaneous to Pres. I'm not denying that a popular vote is more fair in the 'one man, one vote, equal say' philosophy, I just don't subscribe to that philosophy. It's not like the US is unique in not having direct elections for the main leader, most of the modern democracies have the legislature vote the leader... that's not terribly different then EC.
It is one of the things I find so amusing about the whole discussion: People with NO direct voice in choosing their national leader claiming America undemocratically or arbitarily restricts the individuals right to do so. Not that that is the only such advantage to our constitutional republic and its single member districts. Sure, there is pork, a notable disadvantage, but you know how people complain about "beltway politics" and "Washington is out of touch"? You should hear folks from Bergen, Trondheim or, well, anywhere but Oslo, really, talk about Oslo.
Imagine IN had about a million less people, but Indianapolis was nearly the same size, and everyone voted for the parties they wanted. Then the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists, Socialists, etc. state party leaders all assigned Legislature seats based on the percentage of the state they won, and the Legislature elected one of its members Governor. Now imagine IN were nearly as big as CA and TX COMBINED.
How well would you expect the Legislature to represent the whole state given most of it were lifelong residents of urban Indianapolis? Of course, a Ft. Wayne, Gary or Terra Haute resident unhappy with something the state government did where they lived could always write any or all legislators and/or the governor. And, of course, they could all ignore that person, secure in knowing their seat remained safe as long as their party got decent statewide turnout (but especially in Indianapolis.)
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Now That Romney Is Officially the Republican Presidential Nominee: Pick the President!
29/02/2012 08:29:02 PM
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I agree Romney will be the candidate.
29/02/2012 08:54:52 PM
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I would say the math favors Romney over Obama, but it will probably be close either way.
01/03/2012 03:37:52 PM
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I have never understood the point of the Electoral College.
29/02/2012 11:39:11 PM
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You don't think like a politician then
01/03/2012 12:38:36 AM
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I certainly hadn't considered much of that. I'm glad you posted it. *NM*
01/03/2012 07:15:03 AM
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I also have not seen most of that mentioned in the popular vs. electoral debate.
01/03/2012 02:34:31 PM
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a bit simplistic and unrealistic
02/03/2012 11:44:02 PM
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When illustrating a point realism is not required and simplicity is a plus
03/03/2012 03:04:26 AM
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I have a couple quibbles.
03/03/2012 05:23:46 AM
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Oh, certainly, I'm over-generalizing but I was already getting long-winded
03/03/2012 06:52:04 AM
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What a bunch of waffle!
03/03/2012 10:47:19 AM
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Also I don't like this refrain that implies only the POTUS vote matters
03/03/2012 03:29:58 AM
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IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM
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Re: IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
03/03/2012 07:02:30 AM
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*is learning*
04/03/2012 09:49:42 PM
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Re: *is learning*
04/03/2012 09:56:16 PM
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Re: *is learning*
05/03/2012 12:08:08 AM
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You could imitate the French.
07/03/2012 10:40:16 PM
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That seems... unlikely....
08/03/2012 03:03:54 PM
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It does, doesn't it?
08/03/2012 06:11:08 PM
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After I thought about it more, I realized France and the US are not so different in that respect.
08/03/2012 08:51:03 PM
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More similar than the other major Western democracies at least, agreed.
08/03/2012 09:32:55 PM
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I did not realize lack of a parliamentary majority dictated his cabinet.
09/03/2012 12:27:31 AM
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I don't know much about Norwegian politics, but you seem to be wrong.
03/03/2012 06:18:08 PM
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Do you happen to have that link, please?
03/03/2012 06:46:31 PM
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Sure.
03/03/2012 06:58:07 PM
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Guess we did not read far enough.
03/03/2012 10:38:07 PM
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Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
03/03/2012 11:49:44 PM
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Hey, man, I am an AMERICAN: I do not HAVE to know ANYTHING!
04/03/2012 11:46:57 PM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
05/03/2012 06:56:24 AM
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The thing is, regions often have national relevance far greater than their populations would suggest
05/03/2012 10:21:26 AM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
08/03/2012 07:11:12 PM
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Many valid reasons, including those Isaac cited.
02/03/2012 02:26:37 AM
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Most states are ignored anyway
02/03/2012 11:56:12 PM
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Only because and to the extent they have already committed themselves.
03/03/2012 03:41:39 AM
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Why would we do something logical? Dude, you're utterly ridiculous. *NM*
05/03/2012 04:53:38 PM
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I'm kind of sad- does this mean Santorum won't be providing wonderful sound bites anymore?
01/03/2012 02:22:31 PM
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Romney or Obama, either way, America loses. *NM*
02/03/2012 01:10:26 AM
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Hard to dispute that either; six of one, half a dozen of the other.
02/03/2012 01:38:07 AM
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I'd agree hope and change was extremely unrealistic
02/03/2012 11:58:57 PM
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Well, you know my story there; I voted for Obama and got Hillary (at best.)
03/03/2012 01:43:20 AM
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Update: Despite rules requiring they be split, the MI GOP is giving Romney BOTH statewide delegates.
02/03/2012 11:10:56 PM
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Romney is damaged
02/03/2012 11:27:33 PM
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Obama is rather damaged also; it will probably come down to FL and OH, yet again.
03/03/2012 02:23:53 AM
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I'm hoping for Rubio as VP... then FL probably won't matter
03/03/2012 04:28:08 AM
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You should put that on your license plates.
03/03/2012 06:41:34 AM
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And what are you basing all of this on?
03/03/2012 09:54:06 PM
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The closeness of several states when Obama was far more popular, and UTs heavily Mormon neighbors.
03/03/2012 11:44:06 PM
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Wrong
04/03/2012 08:08:56 AM
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Higher turnout magnifies the Mormon effect.
04/03/2012 08:08:09 PM
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Your reasoning is flawed and if you can't see it there is no hope for you
05/03/2012 11:39:04 PM
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Yeah, I think we had that conversation already, several times, in fact.
07/03/2012 05:36:45 AM
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Do you have any knowledge of statistics at all?
07/03/2012 09:04:15 PM
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I hate this message board
07/03/2012 09:06:30 PM
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It would probably help if you deleted the stuff from two, three posts back?
07/03/2012 09:25:40 PM
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