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IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM
Another reason I'm not terribly fond of increasing the youth vote, everybody gets to vote for their senators, congressman, and Gov, most of us get to vote for... I believe I worked out I have 67 positions of various 2,4, and 6 year terms to vote for, plus various levies. Honestly, I don't really want anyone voting for anything if they can't name at least half of those positions and I really don't want to encourage people to vote in droves every four years only to do straight-party ticket without looking at the names or consistently pick Johnny Uniteus over Afold Heitlar even though Afold is dedicated and competent man and Johnny's godfather is well known to all by that sobriquet. I used to be a big fan of getting out the vote, though I've never approved of Popular for POTUS, but these days given a choice I wouldn't even have any other elections simultaneous to Pres. I'm not denying that a popular vote is more fair in the 'one man, one vote, equal say' philosophy, I just don't subscribe to that philosophy. It's not like the US is unique in not having direct elections for the main leader, most of the modern democracies have the legislature vote the leader... that's not terribly different then EC.

It is one of the things I find so amusing about the whole discussion: People with NO direct voice in choosing their national leader claiming America undemocratically or arbitarily restricts the individuals right to do so. Not that that is the only such advantage to our constitutional republic and its single member districts. Sure, there is pork, a notable disadvantage, but you know how people complain about "beltway politics" and "Washington is out of touch"? You should hear folks from Bergen, Trondheim or, well, anywhere but Oslo, really, talk about Oslo.

Imagine IN had about a million less people, but Indianapolis was nearly the same size, and everyone voted for the parties they wanted. Then the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists, Socialists, etc. state party leaders all assigned Legislature seats based on the percentage of the state they won, and the Legislature elected one of its members Governor. Now imagine IN were nearly as big as CA and TX COMBINED.

How well would you expect the Legislature to represent the whole state given most of it were lifelong residents of urban Indianapolis? Of course, a Ft. Wayne, Gary or Terra Haute resident unhappy with something the state government did where they lived could always write any or all legislators and/or the governor. And, of course, they could all ignore that person, secure in knowing their seat remained safe as long as their party got decent statewide turnout (but especially in Indianapolis.)
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IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college. - 03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM 838 Views
Re: IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college. - 03/03/2012 07:02:30 AM 877 Views
*is learning* - 04/03/2012 09:49:42 PM 858 Views
Re: *is learning* - 04/03/2012 09:56:16 PM 896 Views
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Wrong - 04/03/2012 08:08:56 AM 992 Views
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