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Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting. Jeordam Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM
And there are quite a few things for us to disagree on in that too. ;)

I'm sure, but life would be far less interesting if everyone agreed all the time.

I do agree that God doesn't "send people to hell." I don't really believe in hell as it was described during the dark ages. I don't believe that if a poor little man in India never heard of Christ/God, he is automatically doomed to burn in hell... unless a Mormon thinks of him and gets baptized in his honor, anyway.

I'm gonna set aside the Mormon comment, since I'm not one. Instead, I'll talk about the other part. Looking at the "poor little manin India who never heard of Christ/God"...this is where another fascet of God comes into play. In Christian theology, God is more then just love. He is also just. Since God does know your innermost thoughts/motiviations, He is in a unique place to be a just Judge. If that little old man honestly never heard of Jesus, God is just. He will make the right call.

Either way, it is kind of a neither here nor there argument. When people get caught up on this point of theology, I'm more apt to point out that let that "little old man" and God deal with that situation. I'll be concerned for my situation and where I stand with God.

I think we got a pretty raw deal if one woman once ate one apple and forever after we had to be careful to understand exactly what to believe, or our afterlives would be nothing but anguish. We do not believe in precisely the same God, imo.

It was more then the woman (Eve) who ate the fruit. Let's remember that man (Adam) also sinned. Where as Eve was deceived, Adam did what he did knowingly defying God. (Interesting study by the way) To swing us back around to the initial comment between us, notice the story of Adam & Eve and their situation and free will.

They were living in the Garden of Eden. It was *literally* perfect. They walked in the garden with God. Spoke with Him. Had a personally relationship with Him. And they chose to disobey Him. Notice that God didn't set their free will aside. He could have said "No, that's going to lead to a path of destruction for you and everyone after you. I'm not going to give you the choice. You will love me. I won't give you the option not to." But He didn't do that, did he.

That whole free will thing is a big deal

I suppose I'll find out, if I end up in hell. But I do believe that the choices I make for myself are mine to make, and to mess up (or not) as I will. And if I'm wrong, God and I can talk about that when I get there.

Pretty much.

Thank you?

I'm honestly (and without a snarky whatever) saying good post and thank you. We're having a good discussion. And (as far as I can tell), there aren't wierd/hard/hurtful feelings involved. We're just talking. About our beliefs, viewpoints, and whatever. Not with the point of conversion, but with the point of potential understanding.

As far as things go, that's a good thing.
~J
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Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting. - 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM 957 Views
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I'm surprised to see some of this. - 01/03/2012 12:11:31 PM 824 Views
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Question - 29/02/2012 07:58:32 PM 996 Views
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I suspect that that is where a lot of the issue with it lies. - 02/03/2012 01:33:43 AM 1027 Views
one thing - 29/02/2012 06:25:45 PM 997 Views
Precisely *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:59:15 PM 474 Views
Bad example - 05/03/2012 05:06:21 AM 1045 Views
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On the other hand ... - 28/02/2012 09:28:27 PM 791 Views
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Telling anyone what they actually believe will work. *NM* - 28/02/2012 10:51:56 PM 443 Views
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Oh really? The guy who was doing it to annoy people? - 07/03/2012 09:53:38 PM 920 Views
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*NM* - 12/03/2012 01:14:39 AM 447 Views
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I snerfled. *NM* - 29/02/2012 05:12:32 PM 462 Views
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