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Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: nossy Send a noteboard - 27/02/2012 08:40:16 PM
That is pretty much it, yeah, and I have met many people too proud of their tolerance to realize refusing to condemn anything means condoning everything.

Have you? Really? I don't know anyone who is willing to be that ... what? I can't even find a word for that philosophy. My entire reason for disagreeing with you is that I don't think that type of person exists in any kind of majority, And I can't figure out why you're acting as if it is a big enough part of this issue to be worth discussing. It feels like you're talking about some kind of nihilistic robot.

Beliefs do NOT fall under the jurisdiction of law; perhaps ironically, I agree with those who say they should not. ACTIONS fall under legal jurisdiction, but negative harmful beliefs produce negative harmful acts. Knowing those acts will be prosecuted is cold comfort if I know the beliefs driving them will also be accepted, and thus flourish unchecked. I can and do TOLERATE those beliefs, but will never ACCEPT them, because they are not "just fine:" They are tolerable, and only to the extent they are restricted to consenting adults.

Beliefs do not, no. Choosing to act on them, yes, hence the comment about the law. And if someone chooses not to do or say something harmful (annoying, stupid, etc) to another, what difference does it make if they hold an "inferior" belief to you? They are still holding to a moral code that is best for society. That's the point!

I will not impose my beliefs on those who do not share them, but will do all I legally can to change harmful beliefs. People can never be coerced to alter beliefs, but can and should be convinced and encouraged to alter destructive dangerous ones. I still tolerate both those beliefs and people who hold them, but have no duty to accept the beliefs; just the opposite, in fact. I tolerate racism just fine, but will never accept it, and will always discourage it by any just means available. Many people agree, but try to marry that to a moral relativism fatal to it, which I also oppose.

Nobody is saying you're obliged to accept them, Joel. Tolerance includes you. Btw, racism isn't one of the symbols on the sticker, so I'm not sure why we're on this topic. (again, my point - it's not about supporting EVERY effing thing people might believe.)
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For my fellow Grammar Nazis Tom - 23/02/2012 07:12:33 PM 776 Views
I like that. *NM* Nate - 23/02/2012 07:33:11 PM 205 Views
Nice. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2012 07:46:08 PM 202 Views
Yes, indeed! *NM* Macharius - 23/02/2012 07:51:37 PM 206 Views
*NM* ironclad - 23/02/2012 11:30:41 PM 199 Views
I saw that several days ago. nossy - 23/02/2012 11:59:32 PM 469 Views
We are going to need a bigger bumper. Joel - 24/02/2012 05:33:44 PM 508 Views
lol intolerance *NM* Ghavrel - 24/02/2012 09:10:34 PM 194 Views
Not intolerance. Joel - 24/02/2012 11:06:08 PM 641 Views
"Coexisting" = "no belief system?" Ghavrel - 25/02/2012 01:10:04 AM 405 Views
Not technically, no, but in my experience that is how it tends to work in practice. Joel - 25/02/2012 08:39:03 AM 513 Views
What? nossy - 25/02/2012 11:46:12 AM 503 Views
"What?" indeed. Joel - 25/02/2012 05:02:32 PM 531 Views
I apologize. I can't read that. *NM* nossy - 25/02/2012 10:21:09 PM 248 Views
What can I say? Keeping it short and to the point was clearly not CONVEYING the point. Joel - 27/02/2012 06:17:14 AM 456 Views
I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: nossy - 27/02/2012 12:43:54 PM 447 Views
Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: Joel - 27/02/2012 03:24:45 PM 491 Views
Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: nossy - 27/02/2012 08:40:16 PM 450 Views
Also, I'm done here. It doesn't matter if we agree, and these sorts of conversations are nossy - 27/02/2012 08:41:13 PM 433 Views
Sorry, but is a matter of both principle and survival to me. Joel - 27/02/2012 10:43:56 PM 436 Views
No hard feelings, nossy - 28/02/2012 12:10:07 AM 500 Views
Cool. Joel - 02/03/2012 05:27:23 AM 419 Views
I have met them, they are out there; they populate entire schools of philosophy. Joel - 27/02/2012 10:34:16 PM 668 Views
lol strawman Ghavrel - 27/02/2012 11:01:32 AM 430 Views
I have known lots of people who believe that; some even realize they believe it. Joel - 27/02/2012 02:31:48 PM 470 Views
lol false dichotomy Ghavrel - 27/02/2012 06:46:36 PM 565 Views
That's what I was going to say. Nate - 27/02/2012 10:05:51 PM 416 Views
As long as it is qualified, I have no objection. Joel - 27/02/2012 11:09:04 PM 565 Views
Oh, it enters my mind; in fact, it has taken permanent residence there (lol, stfu, omgwtfbbq, etc.) Joel - 27/02/2012 10:21:10 PM 591 Views
Dont quote Nietzsche. You dont understand him. *NM* Urza - 27/02/2012 10:34:08 PM 193 Views
I understand him well enough. Joel - 27/02/2012 11:10:21 PM 455 Views
He did not favor moral relativism and he very much railed against nihilism. *NM* Urza - 27/02/2012 11:13:46 PM 208 Views
If I ask how a grammar humor thread turned into a philisophical debate, am I going to regret it? Isaac - 27/02/2012 11:20:59 PM 427 Views
Joel posted. I think that answers your question *NM* Urza - 27/02/2012 11:27:29 PM 181 Views
Hmm... fair point, I guess it was a rather silly question *NM* Isaac - 27/02/2012 11:43:06 PM 193 Views
Meh and again I say, "meh." Joel - 27/02/2012 11:50:35 PM 470 Views
Like I said. You don't understand Nietzsche *NM* Urza - 27/02/2012 11:59:50 PM 289 Views
Like I said, meh. Joel - 02/03/2012 09:31:43 AM 362 Views
Re: For my fellow Grammar Nazis Danu - 29/02/2012 05:27:27 AM 477 Views
I feed my alot a special diet of alot pellets. Joel - 02/03/2012 05:05:22 AM 487 Views
So this site is just the reposting of really old internet memes? *NM* Nefarious - 02/03/2012 01:51:26 AM 225 Views
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