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I apologize. I can't read that. *NM* nossy Send a noteboard - 25/02/2012 10:21:09 PM
Only exasperation with the "anything goes" philosophy, particularly used to excuse being too intellectually and spiritually lazy to pick a belief system and ride it.

I'm going to really regret asking you this, but why can't I be more relaxed about what I believe? Why do I have to be so SURE and completely invested? I like questioning what I believe, and I absolutely refuse to believe that I know better than someone else. And it doesn't mean I intend to change for them either.

Uncertainty, even outright confusion, IS perfectly valid; advocating or promoting it with bumperstickers and T-shirts reminds me of that "not only maybe, but HELL, maybe!" line moondog likes so much. It is fine to say one does not know, more honest and respectful, IMHO, than DECLARING not only ones own ignorance, but everyone elses, too. Yes, you, I and many others know better than people who think eating OTHER people, stoning them for their sexuality, gunning them down over drug money, lynching them because of their race etc. is also "fine." There is no cause to be embarrassed or apologetic about that, quite the opposite, in fact, because pretending otherwise for the sake of some well meaning but misguided notion of tolerance just concedes such brutality is legitimate when it is not.

And I don't think you understand that "Coexist" concept at all. Not what someone who would actually have the bumper sticker would think it means, anyway.

I understand the concept; again, I support bona fide ecumenicalism backed by knowledge and understanding of both ones own beliefs and those of others. What I oppose is the smug attitude I see all the time whereby people ignore complex challenging questions and smugly assume not bothering to investigate or even ask them constitutes a superior belief based on the notion superior beliefs are impossible. While disgustingly common, that is not even internally consistent; in a very real sense, I have more respect for cannibals. Their beliefs are still morally bankrupt and repugnant, but at least have a kind of logic, and lack hypocrisy.

Understand, I do not claim all the answers either, but consider that motive to search harder rather than justification for not bothering. Arguing the latter is not only ignorance masquerading as wisdom, but excuses even the most heinous acts on the grounds their legitimacy is solely a matter of interpretation. I may not be able to list everything that is right, but some things are indisputably wrong irrespective of personal beliefs.

Real tolerance is valid and valuable; just because someone is horribly, terribly and sincerely wrong does not make them any less a human being, and the constructive response to such glaring destructive error is to correct it, not condemn the human being as irredeemable. However, in many cases that brings to mind another classic line: If you are not angry, you are not paying attention. People still have every right to not pay attention, however much I wish they would, and even to encourage equal obliviousness in others, but I have just as much right, as well as a duty, to DISCOURAGE that obliviousness as the harmful phenonemon it is.

"People like me" (a quintessentially tolerant phrase, yes? ;)) are not the reason the Mid-East is at war, but such cavalier comments, made as if they grant supposedly impossible superiority, are the reason there probably always will be. Some times there are no good guys, sometimes there are no bad guys and sometimes there are none of either. However, sometimes there are guys whose behavior is undeniably bad, and pretending educating ones daughter for literacy and EXECUTING her for it are equally valid depending on ones cultural norm only ensures each remains equally prevalent. That is not "enlightened," but "counterproductive."
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For my fellow Grammar Nazis - 23/02/2012 07:12:33 PM 845 Views
I like that. *NM* - 23/02/2012 07:33:11 PM 231 Views
Nice. *NM* - 23/02/2012 07:46:08 PM 230 Views
Yes, indeed! *NM* - 23/02/2012 07:51:37 PM 228 Views
*NM* - 23/02/2012 11:30:41 PM 219 Views
I saw that several days ago. - 23/02/2012 11:59:32 PM 536 Views
We are going to need a bigger bumper. - 24/02/2012 05:33:44 PM 570 Views
lol intolerance *NM* - 24/02/2012 09:10:34 PM 220 Views
Not intolerance. - 24/02/2012 11:06:08 PM 711 Views
"Coexisting" = "no belief system?" - 25/02/2012 01:10:04 AM 485 Views
What? - 25/02/2012 11:46:12 AM 573 Views
"What?" indeed. - 25/02/2012 05:02:32 PM 605 Views
I apologize. I can't read that. *NM* - 25/02/2012 10:21:09 PM 272 Views
What can I say? Keeping it short and to the point was clearly not CONVEYING the point. - 27/02/2012 06:17:14 AM 526 Views
I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: - 27/02/2012 12:43:54 PM 519 Views
Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: - 27/02/2012 03:24:45 PM 568 Views
Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is: - 27/02/2012 08:40:16 PM 526 Views
Also, I'm done here. It doesn't matter if we agree, and these sorts of conversations are - 27/02/2012 08:41:13 PM 501 Views
Sorry, but is a matter of both principle and survival to me. - 27/02/2012 10:43:56 PM 500 Views
No hard feelings, - 28/02/2012 12:10:07 AM 570 Views
Cool. - 02/03/2012 05:27:23 AM 483 Views
lol strawman - 27/02/2012 11:01:32 AM 499 Views
I have known lots of people who believe that; some even realize they believe it. - 27/02/2012 02:31:48 PM 538 Views
lol false dichotomy - 27/02/2012 06:46:36 PM 642 Views
That's what I was going to say. - 27/02/2012 10:05:51 PM 483 Views
As long as it is qualified, I have no objection. - 27/02/2012 11:09:04 PM 629 Views
Dont quote Nietzsche. You dont understand him. *NM* - 27/02/2012 10:34:08 PM 223 Views
I understand him well enough. - 27/02/2012 11:10:21 PM 533 Views
He did not favor moral relativism and he very much railed against nihilism. *NM* - 27/02/2012 11:13:46 PM 236 Views
Meh and again I say, "meh." - 27/02/2012 11:50:35 PM 550 Views
Like I said. You don't understand Nietzsche *NM* - 27/02/2012 11:59:50 PM 315 Views
Like I said, meh. - 02/03/2012 09:31:43 AM 429 Views
Re: For my fellow Grammar Nazis - 29/02/2012 05:27:27 AM 548 Views
I feed my alot a special diet of alot pellets. - 02/03/2012 05:05:22 AM 552 Views
So this site is just the reposting of really old internet memes? *NM* - 02/03/2012 01:51:26 AM 250 Views

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