Joel, get your head out of your ass, if that is possible
Tom Send a noteboard - 25/02/2012 07:02:34 PM
Company A makes $1 million in profit. Let's have a 35% tax rate plus, say, an 8% state tax rate, that means that in Year 1 Company A is paying $420,000 in taxes (42%).
If in Year 2 it makes $1 million in profit but subtracts the $80,000 in state taxes from the previous year, that means its net profit is $920,000, on which it will still pay 42% or $386,400, but on the slightly smaller amount. However, this is still $36,400 more than if it had not paid the state taxes. On average, the deduction has only halved the effective state tax rate.
Also, because that benefit is for the PREVIOUS year's state tax, rather than the CURRENT year's state tax, it can lead to fluctuations. For example, let's say that Year 2 profit was $0. The state tax deduction is only good to the extent the corporation can roll it forward. If it has several bad years in a row, chances are it won't be able to, so it will pay the full 8% extra for its boom year.
Also, your statement
shows how little you know about how business is actually conducted. US companies are forced to incorporate domestic entities in most jurisdictions or have a "branch office", which is usually taxed the same way and has the same legal effect. Where an entity is incorporated is irrelevant, because the ability to nationalize a company also depends on the nationalizing government's ability to extend its fiat beyond its borders.
If in Year 2 it makes $1 million in profit but subtracts the $80,000 in state taxes from the previous year, that means its net profit is $920,000, on which it will still pay 42% or $386,400, but on the slightly smaller amount. However, this is still $36,400 more than if it had not paid the state taxes. On average, the deduction has only halved the effective state tax rate.
Also, because that benefit is for the PREVIOUS year's state tax, rather than the CURRENT year's state tax, it can lead to fluctuations. For example, let's say that Year 2 profit was $0. The state tax deduction is only good to the extent the corporation can roll it forward. If it has several bad years in a row, chances are it won't be able to, so it will pay the full 8% extra for its boom year.
Also, your statement
US companies build FACTORIES in Third World despotisms; they do NOT incorporate there, because the kind of governments willing to grant low corporate income tax rates tend to be the kind who simply seize corporate income if it becomes large enough to warrant the effort.
shows how little you know about how business is actually conducted. US companies are forced to incorporate domestic entities in most jurisdictions or have a "branch office", which is usually taxed the same way and has the same legal effect. Where an entity is incorporated is irrelevant, because the ability to nationalize a company also depends on the nationalizing government's ability to extend its fiat beyond its borders.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Why Joel is CRAZY - Nearly Half of All Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Taxes
23/02/2012 04:43:15 AM
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Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax.
23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM
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A not so hypothetical situation...
23/02/2012 05:46:44 AM
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Your paying more money now than then. Lower rate but more money *NM*
23/02/2012 07:52:51 AM
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Why the heck do you think the current tax system is skewed to the rich?
23/02/2012 03:18:43 PM
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Once again, poor people have no money with which to pay taxes.
23/02/2012 06:23:07 AM
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50% of America is not "poor" or too poor to pay federal income taxes.....
23/02/2012 01:01:24 PM
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You base that statement on what, exactly? Fervent desire that it be true?
25/02/2012 12:43:30 AM
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2009 (the year cited for this claim) was an outlier because of temporary tax cuts and the economy.
25/02/2012 01:14:01 AM
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Interesting, but lacking the data I consider critical; FICA etc. should not be counted, IMHO.
25/02/2012 02:10:45 AM
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It's a phrasing thing, permits more bullshit
25/02/2012 04:41:06 AM
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Maybe I am just playing the same game,but I find stats from "the other side" compelling in some ways
25/02/2012 10:36:40 AM
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You're operating under the same fallacy he does - that people should pay income taxes.
23/02/2012 12:05:52 PM
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In much the same way
23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM
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Joel is crazy, but I highly doubt that this is "why"
23/02/2012 01:36:37 PM
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I see your point, but not how it changes much in the conversation where we discussed that
25/02/2012 01:49:29 AM
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Joel, get your head out of your ass, if that is possible
25/02/2012 07:02:34 PM
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You mention this statistic all the time.
23/02/2012 02:16:47 PM
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Obviously, we are talking about the bottom 50%.....
23/02/2012 03:22:43 PM
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I wonder how much of that statistic is students
23/02/2012 02:22:58 PM
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The number "paying taxes" should include dependents of those paying
23/02/2012 02:39:21 PM
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yah I read the link, but apparently I just didn't understand their explanation.
23/02/2012 05:40:54 PM
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Federal taxes
23/02/2012 04:18:22 PM
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Your figures are fairly unrealistic
23/02/2012 04:54:44 PM
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Not entirely.
23/02/2012 06:30:18 PM
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Yeah I don't normally assume NY as a baseline
23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM
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It probably isn't. We even tax delivery fees, gardening services and other things with sales tax.
25/02/2012 07:03:46 PM
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We don't tax transport of property either
25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM
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Places usually get around it with free delivery. A tax on a $0 item is still $0. *NM*
25/02/2012 09:12:22 PM
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And give the riff raff a reason to become involved in politics? Are you daft? *NM*
24/02/2012 05:04:51 AM
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25% of america is under 18, that means ~25% of the rest are not working or paid very little
25/02/2012 08:17:52 PM
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