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You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM
I have neither the energy nor the desire to repeat the same pointless conversation over and over again, as you merely restate your tangential remarks with each post.

This is the situation: the "pro-life" movement often makes claims that fetuses have "brain waves" at 8 weeks (or earlier). "Brain wave", as we have both noted, is not a technical term. That means we have to consider what the people making the statement are implying by their specific use of the term in order to judge the statement accurately.

The "pro-life" movement has only one motivation to make such a statement: they think that it supports their view that fetuses are people. The relevant question, then, is whether or not fetuses have the same kind of "brain waves," or in general electric activity read by EEG, that people with functioning brains have. A trace of the sources cited for this claim shows no evidence in support of such a similarity, and actually some evidence against it.

That is the end of it. A claim was made; the claim, in its intended meaning, is probably false based just on the sources which supposedly supported it. Further, more direct research (such as the paper I originally linked) into fetal brain development shows that the higher brain functions have not developed, making the claim even more obviously false.

If my higher brain functions were destroyed, then my self/personality/mind/etc. would be gone. What remained (body, whatever was left of the lower brain) would not be a person.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2192 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1083 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 996 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1055 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 965 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 979 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 941 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1027 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1236 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1024 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 966 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 941 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 965 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 960 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1000 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1103 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1015 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 980 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 856 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 922 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1127 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 966 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 988 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1225 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1017 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1108 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1027 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 971 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1064 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 964 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 589 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1054 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 965 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 799 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 966 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 948 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1044 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1135 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1002 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1032 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1096 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1010 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1310 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 965 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1224 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 990 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 975 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1125 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 907 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 974 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1025 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 973 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 881 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 963 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 966 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 948 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1012 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 902 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 864 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 956 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 954 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 917 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 900 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 588 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 534 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 551 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 959 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2001 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 890 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 962 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 908 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1032 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 995 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 896 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 987 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1039 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1049 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1014 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 640 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 913 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 945 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 957 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 903 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 973 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 891 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 979 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 895 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1047 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 923 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 957 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1147 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 978 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 945 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1091 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 897 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1002 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 893 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1022 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 923 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 945 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 995 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 893 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 835 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 989 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 964 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 863 Views

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