Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY.
Joel Send a noteboard - 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM
I am just frustrated, disillusioned and bitter over Obama turning out to be yet another Republican Lite Democrat and what those policies are doing to the nation and world. This is not a win for womens health. That depends on insurers agreeing to offer free contraceptive coverage because 1) It makes economic sense (they would already give free coverage if it were that simple) and 2) they want in on insurance exchanges that will not exist until two years from now.
It's the Bishops who've made a bad strategic move.
He's not "caved in", he used the issue to set one more trap for the moral right in the middle of the Republican race, which already many of them have already fallen for hook, line and sinker (notably Santorum), which was precisely Obama's real goal. He made a strategic retreat, and a clever one at that.
He wasn't even elected, we didn't even foresee the shift of power in Congress, or the depth of the upcoming economical crisis that most professional observers of American politics everywhere we're already saying that Obama would have a very rough, fairly disappointing first mandate, that the voters would have to be very very patient with him as most his ambitious promises he wouldn't be able to deliver much on unless he got his second mandate and got clear of the risk to sabotage his hopes to get one, and even then. And that he'd better prey for the economy to recuperate some and hold, or the focus would shift almost exclusively to the Democrat vs. Republican economic visions, and he might be finished. The Republicans can't really attack Obama on his failures on his promises to his voter base on other fronts than economy, they're the ones who fought to make him fail, who forced him to either totally cave in and disappoint his base, or make stands and risk that the results of his policies don't deliver enough before the next election, or that the adjustement phase of his programs frighten enough people into not giving him a second mandate to complete them, and go further (he's trying to bring about over 8 years changes that were accomplished far more gradually, and sometimes took decades to complete elsewhere). He's made tons of mistakes, yes - especially early in his mandate, but in the last year he's getting very political and rather more astute(his manoeuvering gets compared to Truman's, more and more).
The upcoming election should have been dominated by economic issues, which isn't the safest ground for Obama. If the right wants to interfere with this major priority of Americans and introduce moral issues, attacks on women's rights, minority rights and so on, it's not Obama who's going to complain or hinder them one bit... Heck, he will even help them when he can, strategically. More and more the Republican race gets plagued by issues of religion, moral values and so on (when most Americans seem a lot more eager to hear how they could do better than the Democrats on the economical front). Not so long ago, Romney was looking unbeatable and to have pushed Gingrich to focus mostly, but the more extreme candidates are now lasting longer than expected and back to fighting one another, and have drawn Romney into it too (and remotivated the moral right to campaign against him, throw mud at him, attack his character on the most absurb or populist things, attack him on all aspects where he's similar to Obama.. which for Obama's voters is like campaigning for Obama, when once he's the candidate, as still seems very likely, Romney will have a fairly antagonist right wing he'll need to appease and reassure, further shifting to the right, which plays right in Obama's hands. Meanwhile, the American public is watching, and Obama's advance keeps going up slowly, despite all the disappointements of his first mandate.
American women will have to make a choice later this year. 65% of them are at least to an extent pro-choice, for example. A great percentage of Americans don't let their church have much influence over their moral choices anymore or want laws to give them more power to impose choices on them, far less than the very loud and visible right wings/fundamentalists make it appear. It's largely thanks to the political structure in place that it's so hard and so long for the political leaders to push those issues to the side, as their counterparts have managed to do in most other nations, despite the fact about the same percentages of Americans would want to finally move on. Heck...98% percent of American catholic women admit they have used or keep using contraception in their life, and the majority of them have are in favour of it, and in free access to it. The Bishops have tried to get through political means what they've long stopped having any success through church/education to their own faithfuls. It's issues over which they've lost in most other western nations, often decades ago already. Catholics have no choice to contribute like everybody else to the healthcare system the majority wants, and that includes free contraception for all women who want to use it - and they've swallowed that pill and moved on. The Canadian Bishops have the same positions as the American ones on issues like contraception, abortion and so on. They're Rome's official positions. But most but the less politically astute and furthest on the right know they're better keep that for their faithful in churches (religious division in the public education system has been abolished in most of the country), or they'll only erode further the scraps of political influence that remains to them, even among their own faithfuls, that every time they managed to make the morally conservative policians make new attempts to attack those rights, it pushes the center right voters further toward the center and even center left, that from the left or (fiscal) right women unite to fight back or denounce whenever a Cardinal makes a strong public statement about these issues. The last one who did got call back to Rome (that is, called to a high standing position in the Curia) and the Bishops distanced themselves from his more extreme positions (like calling women who got raped and aborted murderers...)... So now we've got an evangelist PM who was forced to campaign on firm promises not to return to the settled "moral" issues like abortion, gay rights, capital punishment etc. if he had any hope of getting a majority.
And of course, there's a good percentage of non-Catholics among the employees of Catholic organizations too, who are the victims of this. Obama has kept his hands clean, his own position is still very clear on the issue of contraception: every American woman would want to use it should have access to it. He let retrograde, reactionary religious leaders, at odds with the vast majority of their own female faithfuls be the ones attacking, again, women's rights, again trying to impose their belief system on a majority that don't want them, in the middle of the Republican race and before the real campaign begins, and he set a nice trap for the Republican candidates to take side with them, and rekindled the motivation of the moral right to get the "right" Republican candidate chosen to be his opponent, which likely won't work but in the meantime forces Romney to address these issues when he'd rather stay in the center and try to sway Obama's voters who've found him too much to the left economically. Voters know what Obama has so far failed to deliver, and what he might prove unable to deliver even once the risk of not getting another mandate is out of the way, but they also know they won't get any of it from the Republicans because of the moral right, and what they consider their rights, and their gains, are under threat again with them - and that's not the issues they want to see debated in the next election, that's stuff they thought they had won in the last one, but obviously these issues are back again.
"Vote Chamberlain" is not much of a slogan, however; it relies on having no opponent but someone perceived as Hitler. Thing is, consistent capitulation cannot defeat anyone, and will gain Obama no more victories than it did Chamberlain. We need, and thought we elected, a president to "fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills" rather than reenact a series of Munichs. THAT is why Obamas approval rating was cut almost in half before he had been in office even a year, and has stayed there since. It will not get him re-elected unless he can portray Romney as Hitler, and he has already begun trying.
However, this argument barely, peripherally, involved Romney. It was almost entirely between Obama and the Catholic Church in the US, with nothing required of any GOP candidate except a perfunctory defense of the church and condemnation of Obama. His best hope is that all the radical GOP candidates will force Romney, whose political career is as much based on moderate appeal as McCains is, so far right he will be unable to move back to the center between the primary and November. The strategy worked with McCain, but is more dubious with Romney, because now Obama has a record of his own with which to contend. Picking and conceding a fight with the Catholic Church only adds to his uninspiring record of outraging conservatives, disappointing liberals and showing moderates he is wasting their time (and votes.)
So yes, Obama's last compromise is disappointing and will have disappointed tons of American women and men, but now it's up to those who find this totally unacceptable to fight those battles and give him a clear mandate to return to his own positions, their own, on these matters, and on others he's failed to deliver on.
53% of the popular vote, 365/538 Electoral Votes, an 80 seat House majority and Senate supermajority gave Obama all the mandate he needed. Nonetheless, he spent nearly his entire first year in office handing trillions of taxpayer dollars to failed and/or fraudulent industries: He DID "return to his own positions" and has remained with them since. We had to elect the first term Senator to find out if he was for real; turns out he was not. If he needs more than 365 Electoral votes, an 80 seat House and 10 seat Senate advantage to enact his mandate, he might as well resign now, because he will never again have any of those things. He should have used them when he had them, but blew it with a scale of corporate welfare that would make Bush blush.
It was rather astute of Obama to "lose" strategically and throw the hot potato to the Republicans at this point, when the candidates couldn't resist take the side of his opponents, and they can't afford to just nod at the right places for the moral right at this point.
He chose a pointless fight and chose to capitulate, neither of which are positive leadership qualities. Because of the terms and opponents, yes, Republican leaders can afford to just nod at the right places; certainly no one needs to be told whether Rick Santorums sympathies lie with the Catholic Church or Obama. All this did was reinforce the threat Obamas religious opponents and the disappointment his feminist supporters feel, while reminding moderates who want healthcare how badly Obama fumbled that ball.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up
09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM
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This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again.
09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM
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For someone who used to be a Con Law professor
10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM
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In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case.
11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM
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Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well.
09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM
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I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM*
09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM
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Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan.
09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM
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You lost all credibility in the first line of your post.
09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM
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You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM*
09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM
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It's one thing to have a bias.
09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM
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Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms.
09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM
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The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely.
10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM
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Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare
10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM
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I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly.
10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM
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Why? Have you not been paying attention?
10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM
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If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote.
10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM
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How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course.
11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM
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No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment
11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM
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Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end.
10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM
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He is already preparing to cave.
10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM
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Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said.
10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM
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Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved.
10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM
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Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM*
10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM
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Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two.
11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM
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No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM*
10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM
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"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer."
11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM
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Then that article is wrong.
11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM
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Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance.
11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM
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So in summary... the article you posted was wrong.
11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM
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To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them.
11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM
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Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss
11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM
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So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014.
11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM
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If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise
11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM
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Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then.
11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM
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So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions?
10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM
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Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs.
10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM
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Money is not the same as speech!
10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM
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And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions.
11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM
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No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong
10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM
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I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way."
11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM
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Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court
11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM
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"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation."
11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM
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One last point
10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM
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The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes.
11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM
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You argument does not make sense
11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM
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It was an analogy, not an equivalency.
11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM
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Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality
11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM
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Why could I not buy it with my own money?
11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM
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Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money?
11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM
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In other words, I could.
11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM
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You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM*
11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM
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Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN*
11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM
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Some more points
11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM
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Sex is not a necessity either.
11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM
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LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it )
11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM
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Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained.
11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM
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The polls disagree with you.
11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM
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It is an interesting article, but not for the polls.
11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM
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I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway
11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM
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Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate.
11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM
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I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad.
11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM
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There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not.
11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM
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I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is
11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM
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Understood.
11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM
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mmm...
11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM
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The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate.
12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM
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I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for...
15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM
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Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY.
15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM
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