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Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM
I never got the impression any lawmakers applied any pressure either way, at least not in official capacity. I doubt anyone could spend as much time in Bush 43s administration as Nancy Brinker did without acquiring a few far right friends (or have been named an Ambassador by Bush without already having plenty,) but that is not the same as a Congressman applying pressure AS a Congressman rather than a friend and/or ally.


Oh, I'm entirely sure pressure was applied, likely from all sorts and sides. Incidentally "Update II - Komen: Future Funding not assured". So witness that they are now in utter meltdown mode and I'm guessing their attempts to appease everyone will backfire horribly, not that I blame them.

I'm only citing the article though Fox isn't the only one saying that, but the rumor mill has it a lot of lobbyists made a lotta lotta phone calls. The official specifics, which was mentioned at the bottom of the article, were 26 senators writing to ask them to reconsider. And that personally bugs me, I like to think I'd say the same if 26 GOP senators had written them to ask them to stop, and I probably would have, but who knows? But it is that letter I have issues with, even though I'm sure it was entirely polite. Not that I don't think politicians should utterly avoid criticizing or involving themselves with charities but that's a bit extreme for a fairly unconnected matter, IMHO.

My own impression (nothing more) is Nancy Brinker had intended the break with Planned Parenthood for a while and thought the House investigation (which even the Komens statement calls "political" and explicitly denies is "criminal") plus a timely new "rule" gave her cover to do so. Again, apparently she was mistaken.

So, I agree with you: Politicizing a charity is bad for the charity. My guess is all the Komen executives who resigned in the last 24 hours agree also.


Well, I hate to criticize them but as I said to Ray, piper, dues. I regret that this happened but I consider this something of an inevitable consequence to pushing a charity that hard and visibly over the years, KFC aside, I really do worry that our tendency to have pop causes distracts from equally important work, but I'd also guess the net money raised for the collective cause is higher than if they hadn't. No, I'm not so much beating on anyone for what happened, even the various politicos and pundits who jumped in, just bemoaning, as I said, the inevitability of the jackals getting in the door once the whiff of power and influence emerge.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2445 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1323 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1197 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1282 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1203 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1201 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1163 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1271 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1495 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1247 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1177 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1176 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1221 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1190 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1255 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1340 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1249 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1197 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1073 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1173 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1368 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1193 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1249 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1516 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1275 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1366 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1286 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1181 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1287 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1183 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 702 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1346 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1203 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1037 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1222 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1163 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1293 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1400 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1241 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1266 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1358 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1249 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1567 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1220 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1471 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1238 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1240 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1383 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1163 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1210 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1267 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1184 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1106 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1228 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1205 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1176 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1229 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1145 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1076 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1170 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1169 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1153 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1145 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 690 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 641 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 713 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1188 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2236 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1122 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1196 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1135 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1243 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1234 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1114 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1231 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1264 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1307 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1255 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 730 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1126 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1179 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1265 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1110 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1270 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1138 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1193 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1142 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1305 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1172 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1214 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1401 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1236 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1192 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1310 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1134 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1208 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1122 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1197 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1286 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1135 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1213 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1239 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1164 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1051 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1241 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1223 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1070 Views

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