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I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM
I do find it hard to miss the irony that lawmakers put heavy pressure on a private organization to make a particular decision because they felt the original decision may have been politically motivated. That really only makes sense if their goal was to ensure the group was making a politically motivated decision.

I admit I have not followed this closely, but have seen no evidence of any political pressure from either side. It strikes me as a political decision made by a politician who happens to run a charity. She thought she could excuse it on the grounds of a hasty new rule adopted in the wake of another politicians investigation of Planned Parenthood (which even Komens latest statement calls "political" and denies is "criminal.") Oops. :[

SGK managed to get the worst of both worlds with this. They have managed to piss off both sides and take what was a small connection to PP and make it a very public. The pro-choicers are pissed at the for the first decision and now the pro-lifers are going to be really pissed. When it is all said and done they are right back with they started with the only thing they accomplished was to drag their breast cancer charity into the abortion debate. They really screwed the pooch on this this one.

Sounds about right.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2276 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1179 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1073 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1137 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1053 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1059 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1022 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1116 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1325 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1109 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1043 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1026 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1070 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1047 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1094 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1187 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1101 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1063 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 930 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1018 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1211 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1032 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1076 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1330 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1120 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1190 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1117 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1147 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1107 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1057 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1145 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1051 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 625 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1167 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1025 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 899 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1072 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1017 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1139 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1228 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1091 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1114 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1189 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1093 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1396 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1058 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1312 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1082 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1099 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 504 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1065 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1006 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1041 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1218 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 989 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1059 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1120 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 976 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1050 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 970 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1039 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1046 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1028 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1094 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 986 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 944 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1042 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1036 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1020 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 988 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 619 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 569 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 619 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1044 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2089 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 978 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1047 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 993 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1105 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1072 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 977 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1079 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1122 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1140 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1073 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 674 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1096 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 674 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 996 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1025 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1048 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 983 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1047 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1078 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 993 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 932 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 983 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1053 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 982 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1136 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1026 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1047 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1237 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1066 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1030 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1170 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 947 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 982 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1091 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 979 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1038 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1094 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1099 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1025 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1114 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1007 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1039 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1073 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 985 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 908 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1078 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1064 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 934 Views
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