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I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM
I don't want jack to do with this thread but I figured I'd give a news up date. My only comment on that is that I am more than a touch bothered and/or upset that it's basically taken as a given that the reversal is a result of mounting pressure by lawmakers and pro-choice groups. So add in here a touch of warning to everyone about the costs of politicizing any given charity group and a note that should you be considering donations between two apparently equal options for charitable contributions in terms of your money and most definitely your time, you may want to choose the less political of the two. And that you should always be very careful about politicizing anything you don't have to, it always invites jackals through one door or another.

Speaking as a very ardent pro-lifer and no fan of PP, I have no personal objections to Komen resuming funding for breast cancer screening through them, anymore then I'd have issues if they were funding screenings through a neo-nazi front group, so long as the money is clearly and transparently not going to assist in any tangible fashion a given specific action I object to. I've also got no beef with anyone who declines to donate money to an organization which they feel is either doing something they disapprove of or aiding someone who does, even if it's simply by letting them enhance their image as decent people by hosting it. I also feel obliged to mention that I don't think buying the pink bucket of fried chicken really grants a lot of moral license to condemn or condone this groups actions, and I really don't think any elected officials had much business speaking up on the subject. And to rub some final salt in the wound, I don't think what a charitable organization does or does not do is a particularly good reason to start up a debate about the ethics of abortion, if you want to do that, open a thread on it.

I never got the impression any lawmakers applied any pressure either way, at least not in official capacity. I doubt anyone could spend as much time in Bush 43s administration as Nancy Brinker did without acquiring a few far right friends (or have been named an Ambassador by Bush without already having plenty,) but that is not the same as a Congressman applying pressure AS a Congressman rather than a friend and/or ally.

My own impression (nothing more) is Nancy Brinker had intended the break with Planned Parenthood for a while and thought the House investigation (which even the Komens statement calls "political" and explicitly denies is "criminal") plus a timely new "rule" gave her cover to do so. Again, apparently she was mistaken.

So, I agree with you: Politicizing a charity is bad for the charity. My guess is all the Komen executives who resigned in the last 24 hours agree also.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2210 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1099 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1004 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1066 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 985 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 990 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 955 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1040 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1250 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1034 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 979 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 956 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 973 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 973 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1013 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1116 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1029 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 997 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 870 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 936 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1142 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 977 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 998 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1241 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1032 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1120 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1041 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 983 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1078 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 977 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 595 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1071 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 974 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 815 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 982 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 955 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1056 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1152 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1017 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1045 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1109 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1029 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1325 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 988 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1240 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1003 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 992 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1138 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 922 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 988 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1038 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 986 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 896 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 976 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 979 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 960 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1028 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 920 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 874 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 973 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 970 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 938 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 912 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 592 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 541 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 556 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 975 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2018 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 908 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 972 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 924 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1041 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1006 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 912 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1003 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1053 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1067 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1025 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 645 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 923 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 956 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 969 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 915 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 983 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 908 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 991 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 908 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1062 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 938 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 974 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1162 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 995 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 964 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1102 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 911 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1018 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 907 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1035 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 936 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 957 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1008 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 907 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 845 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 999 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 979 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 874 Views

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