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You must have missed it then Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM
Not many in here were making any comment regarding the ethics of abortion (other than sharing of a few personal opinions). We started out discussing how it seemed to me that SGK's change was for political reasons. I never claimed to be right, but I did say what I felt. I'm not sure how that is a whole lot different than what you said, except that we're looking at it from slightly different angles.


Sharing personal views of abortion beyond stating I am X invariably involves commenting on the ethics of abortion. And there are some fairly big whoppers in terms of outright insult or disparagement of the opposition, I believe you when you say you missed them, but that hardly removes them, and I can't judge if you just didn't read them or read them and didn't see them. They're there though, Joel caught two of them himself, and I assure you that if Joel and I are in agreement about someone drifting over the line, odds the objection is legit even if the flavor or nature of our objections might differ.

I opened the thread I meant to, and we're still pretty much on that topic (tags = komen, PP, political?, breast cancer screenings, PP services, funding, investigation/new rules, new VP, etc). Abortion only enters the debate of necessity, since it is the obvious sticking point for the "sides" we're discussing.

Regardless, the com board is where people go to discuss things, whether they donate to a charity or stick to the pink bucket of chicken.


Including people complaining about political post, yes, I know. It's where I go to, amongst other things, discuss my views about people who say things without researching them or express views or use language under semi-anonymity that would get them excluded from polite company. Personally I get a grim satisfaction about my own worldview from it. No, I've got no beef with your thread, and most posts were just fine, civil, and interesting enough for me to follow, this doesn't stop me from wanting to deliver a few appropriate slaps where I believe they were due. You may disagree, and I'd prefer not to call them out by name, but I consider them appropriate. I also think people need the occasional reminder that, much like sneering at paparazzi while reading the tabloids, just because something pops up in the news doesn't mean it really entitles them -morally - to render judgments, legally of course they may, as may I upon them. You may or may not agree that this is such a case, and I do not claim it is an extreme example, but I do believe some in this thread also exceeded their moral authority to condone or condemn.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2210 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1099 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1004 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1066 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 985 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 989 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 955 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1040 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1250 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1034 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 979 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 956 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 973 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 972 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1013 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1115 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1029 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 997 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 869 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 936 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1142 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 977 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 998 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1241 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1032 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1120 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1041 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 982 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1078 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 977 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 595 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1071 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 974 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 815 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 982 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 955 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1056 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1152 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1017 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1045 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1109 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1029 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1325 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 988 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1240 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1002 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 992 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1138 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 922 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 988 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1037 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 986 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 895 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 976 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 979 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 959 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1028 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 920 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 873 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 972 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 970 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 938 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 912 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 592 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 541 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 556 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 975 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2018 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 908 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 972 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 924 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1041 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1006 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 912 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1003 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1053 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1067 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1025 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 644 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 922 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 956 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 969 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 915 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 982 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 908 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 991 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 908 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1062 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 938 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 974 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1162 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 995 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 963 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1102 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 911 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1018 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 906 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1035 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 935 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 957 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1008 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 907 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 845 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 999 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 979 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 874 Views

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