Implanon and IUDs both last for years at a time, and have sub-1% failure rates. I am not sure how readily PP provides these, but they are definitely solutions to the biggest problem of birth control, which is human error.
If the healthcare law and the DHHS ruling classifying birth control as preventive care both stand, all of these will soon be available to everyone with no copay. (Of course, the "pro-life" movement is fighting this tooth and nail, because preventing abortions isn't really their primary goal.)
If the healthcare law and the DHHS ruling classifying birth control as preventive care both stand, all of these will soon be available to everyone with no copay. (Of course, the "pro-life" movement is fighting this tooth and nail, because preventing abortions isn't really their primary goal.)
I don't think they see the link between that and preventing unplanned pregnancy though, unless they only want to allow for abstinence as the route to that.
If they haven't looked, then they're not serious about what they claim is their overriding goal, which is my point.
Yes, most of them only want to support abstinence. That's because the "pro-life" movement is really about enforcing specific, oppressive sexual mores.
In many cases it is less supporting abstinence than supporting it for MINORS. That is not solely about oppressive or even repressive mores (thought it often involves them, too) hence laws against it virtually everywhere, even in quite sexually liberated countries. The definition of "minor" varies by locale, and there is often some latitude when both (or however many) partners are close to the same age, but, generally speaking, sex with or without contraception is discouraged in minors. Ironically, the few demographics that ARE sexually oppressed in many respects tend to most indulge sex with minors—provided it is duly sanctioned by the family of all girls involved, and the local religious authority. Yet even in those cases the result is de jure majority, though it often amounts to little more than transfer of ownership.
Put simply, the greatest moral imperative for abstinence-only birth control is often just preventing minors "being taken advantage of." Parents and nations understandably oppose raping children, either by force or manipulation.
That is without considering things like parents worrying fourteen year olds who ignore their stodgy and paranoid fears about their children having sex are just as apt to ignore stodgy paranoid fears about not using birth control. Likewise many boys who can talk a girl out of her panties can talk themselves out of a condom as easily (i.e. a boy who can "take advantage of a girl" often needs no birth control to do it.)
There are other concerns that have little or nothing to do with sexual oppression (oppression? Truly?) I am setting aside Implanon because
1) I try to avoid drugs on the market <10 years (i.e. during the final/first large scale human trial) because of things like
2) "The manufacturer advises 'Expect your menstrual periods to be irregular and unpredictable throughout the time you are using IMPLANON™'. It is not known whether Implanon changes a woman's risk for breast cancer" and
3) this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12117299
On the one hand, it has been on the market just over 10 years in the UK; on the other hand, well, perfect=typical use...? Not so much.
I would move to Depo-Provera instead, which has been around about twice as long, but a TON of groups in various countries oppose it, and most are womens health groups. Apparently, endometrial cancer had NEVER been diagnosed in rhesus monkeys—prior to Depo-Provera trials. http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1985/02/problems-us.html Moving on....
NuvaRing does not look too bad based on a little preliminary digging just now, and it will have been on the market 10 years come July, with a typical annual failure rate of 8%. The "perfect" failure rate is only about 1%, but "perfect" abstinence has a failure rate of about 0.000000001%, and thus obviously superior by that metric (by nine orders of magnitude. ) There are about a million teen pregnancies per year in the US; ignoring the fact many US teens already use some kind of birth control, putting them all on the US contraception proven safest and most effective would still leave about 80,000 teen pregnancies per year.
Even parents unconcerned about their children being pressured and/or physically forced into sex will still worry about falling into that unfortunate 8%. Even those with no moral objection to abortion usually realize it is often so traumatic many women also lacking moral objections nonetheless choose hysterectomy or tubal ligation instead. Those who DO object to abortion—but ONLY abortion, not contraception or premarital sex—usually object to their children sacrificing educations and/or good careers to raise a child, and do not want to raise their childrens children to prevent that. It raises the question of how many parents, in this age of accountability and personal responsibility, take their SONS to get condoms compared to how many take their DAUGHTERS to get the pill, patch or implant. Probably less than 20 years ago, thanks to the availability of DNA tests.
In short, many Pro Lifers also prefer abstinence-only sexual education for a host of reasons unrelated to their feelings on premarital sex (which US law also "opposes" when it involves anyone >21, and usually anyone >18.) I agree that is naïve and unrealistic, and they should recognize the need for a fall back position when "NO WIRE HANGERS OR PREMARITAL SEX EVER111" fails. However, there are far more causes than merely oppression, often not a cause at all.
In fact, I imagine it is seldom a cause. I know there are instances of parents locking up kids to prevent sex, and men forcing adult girlfriends/wifes to bear children (in an infamous recent case, a German man was discovered to have done BOTH for decades) but I doubt there are 80,000 in the US. In other words, the number of Americans denied contraception through genuine OPPRESSION is probably far less than those unintentionally pregnant when freely obtained contraception FAILS.
On a completely unrelated note, I have not forgotten I have owed you a response in another thread since a few weeks before Christmas, but between the holidays and an online class plus an in building class I got sidetracked. Since the thread is so old you should expect a NB some time reasonably soon, with apologies for delay. ' />
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This message last edited by Joel on 03/02/2012 at 12:49:36 PM
Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit)
02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM
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The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing
02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM
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I agree.
02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM
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Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill.
03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM
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I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal.
03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM
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If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked.
03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM
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That is a little unfair.
03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM
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Won't someone please think of the children?!
04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM
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I think you're leaving out some important points.
04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM
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Ah, the good ol' silent majority.
04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM
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So which moron is feeding you this crap?
04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM
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It worries me when we think alike....
05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM
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Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth.
05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM
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"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation."
05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM
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Oh please.
05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM
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Re: Oh please yourself.
06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM
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Quite a telling reply.
07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM
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Re: I quite agree.
08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM
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You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip.
09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM
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No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me.
11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM
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I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments.
14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM
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I presented factual rebuttals.
19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM
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You continue to miss the point.
23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM
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No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source."
07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM
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The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth.
15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM
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Well, yes.
04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM
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A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects.
05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM
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You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect.
05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM
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Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case.
04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM
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Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case.
05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM
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If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM
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Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM
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Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM
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I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though.
07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM
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Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM
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There are problems with the implants
03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM
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Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though.
03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM
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Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM*
03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM
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What on earth does that have to do with anything?
03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM
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I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt.
03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM
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I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart
02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM
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I agree.
02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM
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yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other
02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM
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Right
02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM
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it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses
02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM
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Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side?
02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM
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No, I don't. I don't believe I said that?
02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM
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You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry.
02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM
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I know I'm not always clear.
02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM
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Just curious...
02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM
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Not at all.
02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM
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Not at all?
02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM
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No.
02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM
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My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes
02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM
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Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes
03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM
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wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks
03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM
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Ooor, the best.
03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM
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ok now you are just being mean *NM*
03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM
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The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM*
03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM
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Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant...
02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM
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You don't know stuff.
02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM
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I know the stuff that matters.
02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM
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they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN
02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM
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"Accused" of = unfounded slander.
03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM
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did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective
03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM
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The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM*
03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM
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This is so foreign a debate for me
02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM
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Re: stuff
03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM
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I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer"
03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM
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Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no.
04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM
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I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that
04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM
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Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense.
02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM
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Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense.
02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM
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After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right.
03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM
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They restored funding incidentally
03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM
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Unless I've missed it
03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM
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You must have missed it then
03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM
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If you're referring to Cannoli
03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM
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Multiple was not an accidental choice of words
03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM
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Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you.
04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM
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Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you.
04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM
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well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision
03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM
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Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision
03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM
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I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen.
03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM
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Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort
03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM
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Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies.
03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM
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Judge for yourself
04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM
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Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political.
04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM
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are you trying to disprove the study you posted?
03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM
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To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover.
03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM
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you admit you have no incite into what happened
04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM
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Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite.
04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM
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educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker
04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM
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