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No one FORCED the officer in that episode to do ANYTHING. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 04:57:20 AM
Reality is though when you resist you are creating the situation that leads to violence. If I put you in a situation where you have to commit an act of violence am I responsible for that violence or are you? When you put the police in position where they are forced to use violence in order for them to enforce the law then you should be held morally and legally responsible for that violence. So if some of that pepper spray blows back in the cops eye you should be charged with assaulting a police officer since it was you who created the violent situation. If you are intentionally creating a situation where violence is the only method that can bring you into compliance then you have created the violence and I really don't want to hear any whining about how you forced the mean police officer to hurt you.

I really do not want to get between ya'll (though I probably should; I know moondog a HELL of a lot better than you do (clearly)) but must note that definition of "force" is WILDLY at odds with any accepted meaning of the word. A cop pepper spraying someone can add an assaulting an officer charge if it blows back on him?!

The idea passive resistance INITIATES violence is dangerous. If a vagrant asleep on a park bench refuses an officers order to move, is he "forced" to use pepper spray? What if the "vagrant" was shot three times while being mugged and only got to the park bench before collapsing into unconsciousness due to blood loss?

Some level of force is legitimate, even justified, in some cases. I still cannot decide if the pepper spray was such a case (though those cops surely have a written policy on the subject ) but physically removing protesters is. However, force is NEVER compulsory, and the notion motionless impassivity makes it so, that simply refusing to move excuses beating someone as long as an office shouts, "STOP RESISTING111" in the process... that POLICE might indulge such dangerously skewed beliefs is a great additional reason the public should be able to tape public servants publicly performing their public duties. The fact no one has any expectation of privacy for acts performed in public is more than sufficient, but thanks for the excellent clincher.
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police officiers have nothing to fear fromvideo taping? Sorry Joel but that is pure crap - 03/02/2012 01:01:51 AM 528 Views
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There are lots of jobs like that - 03/02/2012 06:19:21 AM 521 Views
and how many of those cameras are controlled by activist looking to smear them? - 03/02/2012 05:35:32 PM 593 Views
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I have a job that does that. *NM* - 03/02/2012 04:37:44 PM 185 Views
a lot of jobs monitor and area but very an individual to wear a camera *NM* - 03/02/2012 05:47:59 PM 187 Views
Movie projectionists do. *NM* - 04/02/2012 12:20:21 AM 134 Views
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luck for my job isn't so hard. Judging you as stupid is an easy call - 03/02/2012 03:46:12 AM 521 Views
No one FORCED the officer in that episode to do ANYTHING. - 03/02/2012 04:57:20 AM 382 Views
The pepper spraying? That is the best you can do? - 03/02/2012 02:54:43 AM 698 Views
OK I see the problem and it is rampant ignorance - 03/02/2012 04:33:47 AM 541 Views
I think we could find a middle ground - 03/02/2012 06:06:32 AM 425 Views
I can sign on for all of that. - 03/02/2012 06:57:54 AM 542 Views
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unfortunately most cops seem to want a double standard - 03/02/2012 02:39:01 AM 451 Views
Ah; I did not realize the SCOTUS had overturned that. - 03/02/2012 03:05:12 AM 403 Views
9-0 decision -- where were you? - 03/02/2012 06:53:56 AM 515 Views
Um, Norway? - 03/02/2012 07:08:11 AM 473 Views
Well, public or private, one does not leave one's right to privacy at the door - 03/02/2012 05:19:12 PM 432 Views
That is an unnervingly good point. - 03/02/2012 07:13:48 PM 480 Views

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