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More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM
If people really want to be offended though they should be offended by the fact that we spend twice the much money on breast cancer research as we do on prostate cancer even though close to the same number of people die from both. But that is another debate of course.

Is it? In a way, I think that is THE issue here:

The core issue is whether Americans should spend money empowering people when some will use that empowerment in ways those funding it dislike.

That is bigger than Komen (gee, an organization created and run by a politician got political; what are the odds? :rolleyes:) or Planned Parenthood. Neither were factors in the SC GOP primary, but abortion coverage by the (supposedly) taxpayer funded MA healthcare law written by (supposedly) Pro Life Gov. Romney was pivotal.

We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone education, because they will learn about evolution.

We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone sex education, because they will learn about condoms (or even abortion.)

We must not spend public funds fighting an African AIDS epidemic killing tens of millions, because that would include sex education, and thus the above objections.

We must not spend public funds ensuring all children health insurance, because some people will use it to become welfare queens instead of getting a job.

And, of course, we must not spend money on public healthcare, because some people will have abortions.

The Komen Foundation (rechristened a few years ago as "Race for the Cure," as if only one fatal disease requires a cure) is only a tiny aspect of that. It is a private organization free to pick and choose which healthcare to endorse OR OPPOSE. The more it deviates from general healthcare advocacy to take sides in the "culture wars" the more its healthcare advocacy will suffer, but it is free to make that choice. In some ways that would make more sense than an all male NFL more concerned with breast cancer than with prostate cancer (though men are not immune to breast cancer.)

The deeper issue this highlights is whether people should make accepting their entire political agenda a condition of aid for vital needs. Your aunt had the luxury of loving Komen and hating Planned Parenthood (even if that luxury rested, until now, entirely on ignorance.) Komen has the same luxury, because they explicitly made breast cancer their sole priority. The healthcare profession lacks that luxury, just as educators cannot avoid teaching facts those funding them dislike.

If we sincerely wish to empower people to live freely, we must do just that, knowing "freedom" includes freedom to make choices we dislike. I am not optimistic most Americans will soon realize, let alone accept, that, since we routinely endorse toppling whole governments if their citizens "vote wrong" in free elections.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2257 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1161 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1057 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1118 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1038 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1041 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1008 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1101 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1305 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1089 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1028 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1009 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1046 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1023 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1069 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1170 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1081 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1045 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 910 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 994 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1187 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1018 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1054 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1313 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1095 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1172 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1090 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1037 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1129 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1035 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 618 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1138 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1005 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 873 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1051 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1000 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1122 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1211 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1073 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1093 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1169 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1073 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1380 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1042 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1289 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1065 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1048 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1199 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 971 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1039 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1099 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1035 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 954 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1024 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1033 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1012 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1080 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 972 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 928 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1026 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1022 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1001 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 973 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 611 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 561 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 600 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1027 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2073 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 964 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1030 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 978 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1090 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1056 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 959 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1061 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1104 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1125 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1082 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 668 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 975 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1007 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1027 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 967 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1028 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 964 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1040 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 960 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1117 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1009 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1030 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1220 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1050 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1007 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1151 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 965 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1074 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 959 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1098 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 993 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1016 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1058 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 967 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 892 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1064 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1039 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 919 Views

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