More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen.
Joel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM
If people really want to be offended though they should be offended by the fact that we spend twice the much money on breast cancer research as we do on prostate cancer even though close to the same number of people die from both. But that is another debate of course.
Is it? In a way, I think that is THE issue here:
The core issue is whether Americans should spend money empowering people when some will use that empowerment in ways those funding it dislike.
That is bigger than Komen (gee, an organization created and run by a politician got political; what are the odds? ) or Planned Parenthood. Neither were factors in the SC GOP primary, but abortion coverage by the (supposedly) taxpayer funded MA healthcare law written by (supposedly) Pro Life Gov. Romney was pivotal.
We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone education, because they will learn about evolution.
We must not spend public funds ensuring everyone sex education, because they will learn about condoms (or even abortion.)
We must not spend public funds fighting an African AIDS epidemic killing tens of millions, because that would include sex education, and thus the above objections.
We must not spend public funds ensuring all children health insurance, because some people will use it to become welfare queens instead of getting a job.
And, of course, we must not spend money on public healthcare, because some people will have abortions.
The Komen Foundation (rechristened a few years ago as "Race for the Cure," as if only one fatal disease requires a cure) is only a tiny aspect of that. It is a private organization free to pick and choose which healthcare to endorse OR OPPOSE. The more it deviates from general healthcare advocacy to take sides in the "culture wars" the more its healthcare advocacy will suffer, but it is free to make that choice. In some ways that would make more sense than an all male NFL more concerned with breast cancer than with prostate cancer (though men are not immune to breast cancer.)
The deeper issue this highlights is whether people should make accepting their entire political agenda a condition of aid for vital needs. Your aunt had the luxury of loving Komen and hating Planned Parenthood (even if that luxury rested, until now, entirely on ignorance.) Komen has the same luxury, because they explicitly made breast cancer their sole priority. The healthcare profession lacks that luxury, just as educators cannot avoid teaching facts those funding them dislike.
If we sincerely wish to empower people to live freely, we must do just that, knowing "freedom" includes freedom to make choices we dislike. I am not optimistic most Americans will soon realize, let alone accept, that, since we routinely endorse toppling whole governments if their citizens "vote wrong" in free elections.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit)
02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM
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The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing
02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM
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I agree.
02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM
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Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill.
03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM
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I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal.
03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM
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If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked.
03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM
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That is a little unfair.
03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM
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Won't someone please think of the children?!
04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM
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I think you're leaving out some important points.
04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM
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Ah, the good ol' silent majority.
04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM
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So which moron is feeding you this crap?
04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM
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It worries me when we think alike....
05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM
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Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth.
05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM
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"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation."
05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM
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Oh please.
05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM
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Re: Oh please yourself.
06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM
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Quite a telling reply.
07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM
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Re: I quite agree.
08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM
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You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip.
09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM
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No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me.
11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM
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I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments.
14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM
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I presented factual rebuttals.
19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM
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You continue to miss the point.
23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM
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No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source."
07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM
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The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth.
15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM
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Well, yes.
04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM
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A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects.
05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM
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You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect.
05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM
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Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case.
04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM
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Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case.
05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM
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If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM
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Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM
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Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree.
06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM
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I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though.
07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM
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Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM
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Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it.
23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM
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There are problems with the implants
03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM
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Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though.
03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM
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Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM*
03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM
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What on earth does that have to do with anything?
03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM
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I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt.
03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM
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I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart
02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM
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I agree.
02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM
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yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other
02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM
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Right
02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM
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it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses
02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM
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Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side?
02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM
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No, I don't. I don't believe I said that?
02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM
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You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry.
02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM
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I know I'm not always clear.
02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM
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Just curious...
02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM
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Not at all.
02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM
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Not at all?
02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM
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No.
02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM
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My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes
02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM
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Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes
03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM
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wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks
03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM
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Ooor, the best.
03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM
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ok now you are just being mean *NM*
03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM
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The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM*
03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM
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More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen.
02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM
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Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant...
02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM
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You don't know stuff.
02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM
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I know the stuff that matters.
02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM
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they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN
02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM
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"Accused" of = unfounded slander.
03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM
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did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective
03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM
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The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM*
03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM
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This is so foreign a debate for me
02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM
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Re: stuff
03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM
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I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer"
03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM
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Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no.
04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM
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I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that
04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM
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Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense.
02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM
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Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense.
02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM
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After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right.
03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM
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They restored funding incidentally
03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM
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Unless I've missed it
03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM
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You must have missed it then
03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM
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If you're referring to Cannoli
03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM
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Multiple was not an accidental choice of words
03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM
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Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you.
04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM
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Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you.
04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM
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well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision
03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM
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Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision
03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM
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I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen.
03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM
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Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort
03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM
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Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies.
03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM
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Judge for yourself
04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM
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Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political.
04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM
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are you trying to disprove the study you posted?
03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM
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To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover.
03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM
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you admit you have no incite into what happened
04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM
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Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite.
04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM
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educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker
04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM
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