Fair enough; as I say, she and I do not exactly think in the same ways.
Joel Send a noteboard - 25/01/2012 01:16:40 PM
Bearing in mind that I relate to you a lot better than I do Amy, she may have been referring to the reflexive habit of many on the far right (including some posters here) to equate "liberal" with "un-American" and/or "un-patriotic." I would cite examples, but am not inclined to parse their merits (which our shared fascination with detail combined with our disparate politics ensures would happen. ) You know what I mean though, the classic "America: Love it or leave it" sentiment.
She previously commented in a thread about it, I'm disinclined to assume she didn't mean it that way and she didn't deny it either. Whichever, even where your interpretation the case, and I did consider it, I don't recall a rash here of any of us, left or right, calling their political opposites unpatriotic. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened but I don't see it as something one of the Usual Suspects would say, let alone regularly enough to justify the remark. Regardless it would have amounted to the same thing, Amy's openly 'as liberal as they come', if she wanted to make a remark about people being over political with an example, she should have picked one from her own neck of the woods. You may recall, possibly correctly, people using un-patriotic or the like, but in my experience people tend to remember ten or twenty incidents for every one that actually happened here. As an example, 'patriotic', including 'un' prefixes, appears a whopping 82 times on the CMB, and at least half of them are in posts authored by you. Most of the others I opened by people I thought might be examples turned up to have the word as a quote from you, and of the specific phrase 'unpatriotic', used 14 times on the CMB, you've used it the most, I use it twice, once in regard to saying politicians regular accuse each other of it in pretty words and the other "What in the world is wrong about complaining about taxes? Dear God it's practically unpatriotic not to." It then registers twice as a quote in a reply to me from Aisha and a reply to her from RT. RT uses it once in an ironic light in that old Sex Toy thread, Urza's got a hit as a quote in a reply to that. Elaine's got one "reluctantly and unpatriotically admit that St Patrick's Day doesn't really do it for me", and the other two are old, connected, and utterly unconnected to politics between cmdjing and Celia about Mongolians.
So, there's not really a rash of it. People read stuff elsewhere and project it a lot. For the record the word 'teabagger' also saw very limited usage and a good portion of that in the same fashion.
Maybe it is just my subjective impression then, though some of it is based on (also subjective) memories of wotmania. Back then the other party had the White House, and critics were accused of being unpatriotic a lot more both on the site and in general. I can see how a liberal might argue complaints about supporting the government in the form of taxes is unpatriotic, but it is not exactly the preferred approach. My experience has been that liberals are usually more enthusiastic about government assistance than government authority (with a few notable exceptions like gun control, but then, there is a reason I am more moderate on that issue than are most liberals. )
The CMB in general needs what it has always needed: People who dislike the predominance of a few topics to post others, and maybe get some friends to join them. I did not set out to be the guy with the most CMB posts, and would not be if this were wotmania at practically ANY point in its history. I post less here than I ever did there, yet the frequency there always fell behind plenty of people (well, OK, maybe not in the final months, but I wanted to hit 20k before the site closed.)
I'm not even sure if I'm in the Top 10 on the CMB, though I doubtless make the Top 3 on word count. What bothers me, and you obviously, is that neither of us particularly think political threads should be as common as a ratio, but as RT points out, that's because there aren't a lot of others. I don't feel anyone has a legit gripe when we average less than one a day.
Probably you, me and Cannoli (in no particular order) on word count. ' />
What irks me more than anything is I see no way urging people post LESS of ANYTHING helps the CMB. As with so many other things, the best solution to the problem is for folks to take some initiative. Anyone who dislikes the most common topic of conversation is welcome and encouraged to change the subject, but those already talking will not just shut up and wait for that to happen, if only because the record indicates it would be a long wait.
Politics did not make the CMB a ghost town; the CMB becoming a ghost town made it heavily political, because only politics remained when all else was gone.
Agreed. Hell the majority of your threads aren't political and I don't think even 1 in 10 of mine have been, so its not exactly like us political posters are really throwing the ratio that much.
Well, I am not insensitive to recent sentiment that too many posts were either political, mine or both. The combination of classes, online and otherwise, the holidays and Tebowmania also reduced my posting, but since I am between classes until next week, the holidays are over and Denver (and Houston) are out of the playoffs I have a little more time to get reacquainted with the CMB. Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen; a few political topics caught my eye yesterday, but I hesitate to post threads on them for obvious reasons.
That said, you might find at least one of them interesting; Electoral Vote Predictor had an analysis of why the Votemaster thinks Gingrich broke his earlier pledge not go negative: http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Maps/Jan10.html
Basically,
1) Romney outspent him 30:1 to come from behind and beat him in IA,
2) Gingrich is incensed at Romney denying all responsibility for attack ads aired by a pro-Romney PAC there and
3) He is friends with a multi-billionaire who financed $5 million in SC anti-Romney ads.
I find that interesting mainly because financing from a guy with $21 billion might allow Gingrich to stay in the race against Romney a lot longer than I expected. If Gingrich can match him dollar for dollar, or even stay close, the result could be titanic and extended primary fight. I still think Romneys party connections will be the difference in the end, but if Gingrich finally forces Romney to veer hard right it could hurt him in the general election.
As far as why Newt is "going there," this ad from him probably covers it best: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/09/pious_baloney.html
Then there is a Slate article by the late Christopher Hitchens discussing "Mitt Romney and the weird and sinister beliefs of Mormonism." The man who prided himself on smug satisfied atheism ("antitheism" as he called it) states his case against the scion of Mormon royalty.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Suggestion for the site
23/01/2012 04:15:36 PM
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While we are at it, can't we make a new board for people who agree on stuff?
23/01/2012 04:18:53 PM
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This place needs less separation, not more.
23/01/2012 04:32:35 PM
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yeah, I'd actually petition for Games, RPGs and Movies/TV becoming one general entertainment board. *NM*
23/01/2012 05:27:20 PM
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Games and TV could definitely be joined.
23/01/2012 05:29:53 PM
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Ehhh I think maybe RPG should just be off in its corner
23/01/2012 06:50:13 PM
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More people'd likely take part if they saw the games *NM*
23/01/2012 07:31:36 PM
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The MBs should not be combined unless they can be easily separated again.
24/01/2012 12:20:52 PM
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The problem is it's never 'just a few people', it's almost everyone including yourself
23/01/2012 06:13:52 PM
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I generally agree, but feel obliged to note the "isn't American" comment may not have meant birthers
24/01/2012 12:13:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was
25/01/2012 01:53:26 AM
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Fair enough; as I say, she and I do not exactly think in the same ways.
25/01/2012 01:16:40 PM
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I do not agree. I know who/want I don't want to read, and I avoid them/that. *NM*
23/01/2012 06:18:35 PM
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This site needs more discussion of hardcore pornography
23/01/2012 07:47:44 PM
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*NM*
23/01/2012 11:56:20 PM
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Awesome! Show us what you got! *NM*
24/01/2012 11:55:38 PM
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you can probably find beetnemesis at http://www.lemonparty.org *NM*
25/01/2012 06:56:08 PM
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The WoT board needs to go already *NM*
24/01/2012 02:50:28 PM
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I think it might as well remain for a year os so after the last book comes out *NM*
24/01/2012 07:23:51 PM
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Re: No, no, give them (us, by then) a little more time to reread, recycle, and mourn. *NM*
28/01/2012 03:43:26 AM
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Oh, certainly, I just meant killing the board before the last book finally comes out was premature *NM*
28/01/2012 04:18:32 AM
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