I just do not think there are 20 million of them who would rather be homeless and starve than get their hands dirty. Obviously everyone should at least TRY to find work; I have never and will never defended supporting those who will not. I just get annoyed when people reflexively insist no one is out of work that does not wish to be, just like the "immigrants are only taking jobs Americans refuse." I have a warm jacket and long underwear; at the moment I would be more than happy picking fruit in a field somewhere ten hours a day to put food on the table and pay rent. If it only paid a dollar an hour in a place where a one room apartment is running about a $1200/month I would surely resent it, but a dollar an hour still beats nothing an hour.
I don't think he was attempting to claim that 20 million people were refusing to work hard, but I suppose I could be wrong. And I would agree with you if you weren't so far out - I don't think people are claiming that "no one is out of work that does not wish to be, just like the 'immigrants are only taking jobs Americans refuse.'" Both comments are have some truth, but aren't completely true. There ARE people who are out of work because they won't take those jobs, and it's ok to talk about it - you know very well that things aren't so black and white, so it doesn't help to assume that's what anyone means. Same with the immigrant situation; I had trouble keeping white kids in jobs that my immigrants gladly kept. They didn't make less money, they paid taxes, etc - real jobs were refused by americans because they were hard and people couldn't get rich doing them. So, again, not so black and white, and it absolutely doesn't help to argue them as if they are.
I cannot read his mind either, but the comment sure sounded like "the only problem is Americans are lazy and entitled." I find it telling that nearly everyone who calls high unemployment an indictment of workers rather than the system are just as quick to say it proves Obama a failure (even though unemployment is about where it was when he took office.) The narrative changes with the agenda, a sure sign of fitting data to a curve instead of the reverse.
In the case of people too good to work, I think it a self correcting problem: When hungry enough, ANYONE will take ANY job that feeds them (just ask China. ) Either that or starve to death, in which case they are still off the unemployment rolls; they certainly cannot count on an indefinite supply of gub'ment cheese to keep them fed when they do not even seek work (that was what reforming federal welfare laws 15 years ago was about, remember?) I am not saying people like that need or should receive help when they could easily help themselves.
The problem is millions of people who do not fall into that boat, desperately seeking any work that puts food on their table and a roof over their heads, but still not finding it. That, and OTHER people insisting THOSE people be left to twist in the wind because they are the exception rather than the rule, is the problem.
There are people who refuse work, and other people who deeply desire but cannot get it. Which predominates depends on whom you ask, but it is hard to believe many of the 5.6 million American who have been out of work 6+ months choose to go hungry and homeless, or that most of the 7 million recently unemployed people chose to leave their jobs in this economy. And remember: Those are DECEMBER figures (i.e. from the peak of Christmas rush; expect current 8.5% unemployment to spike above 9% again after stores count their January inventory.)
UNDERemployed people almost by definition are not short of work because they consider work beneath them; they are demonstrably working, and less than they desire. According to Gallup, they actually outnumber unemployed people (which jibes with my own observations:) http://www.gallup.com/poll/149525/gallup-finds-underemployment-stuck-mid-sept.aspx
So, yeah, there are certainly people who can but will not work. My bet is that when you referred to the ones you met as "kids" you hit the nail on the head: Most people who refuse work are in their teens or early twenties, and have that luxury because they can run home to live with and be fed by mom and dad. Few who lack that luxury are turning down paying work right now, for the same reason immigrants do not: Hunger is a great motivator, as is snow.
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How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work
21/01/2012 10:10:30 PM
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The sad fact is...
22/01/2012 02:56:46 AM
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I am SO sick of hearing this false rhetoric.
22/01/2012 06:39:07 PM
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Well, you're both presenting the far sides of the situation, surprisingly enough.
23/01/2012 10:22:23 AM
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Well, yes, I do realize there are people out there too good for decent jobs.
23/01/2012 10:44:57 AM
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Re: Well, yes, I do realize there are people out there too good for decent jobs.
23/01/2012 11:29:53 AM
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He certainly sounded dismissive.
24/01/2012 11:46:31 AM
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I don't believe its false. I believe its true. As seen, daily, by myself.
25/01/2012 07:11:00 PM
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You probably aren't aware that even though it is a crime in China...
23/01/2012 04:59:27 AM
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I guess threatening mass suicide isn't a big fuss?
23/01/2012 10:25:48 PM
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According to the NYT article "nothing like Foxconn City exists in the United States."
24/01/2012 10:58:56 AM
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It will be acceptable as long as the US remains a market for products made that way.
22/01/2012 06:10:20 PM
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It always kind of cracks me up when people bitch about China when...
23/01/2012 05:04:36 AM
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People really should read the rest of the article and not just the first page.
23/01/2012 11:21:39 PM
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Are you saying the US should heavily subsidize its supplies like the Chinese government does?
24/01/2012 11:15:37 AM
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Re: Are you saying the US should heavily subsidize its supplies like the Chinese government does?
24/01/2012 01:06:51 PM
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The difference is there would be tremendous hue and cry over such subsidies in the US.
25/01/2012 11:39:04 AM
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Of course not. Where did I even say anything about that?
24/01/2012 08:10:29 PM
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You did not say it, but citing the importance of cheaper supplies suggests it.
25/01/2012 11:10:04 AM
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What a bunch of shit.
24/01/2012 01:33:19 AM
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Maybe you could share something less shitty? *NM*
24/01/2012 10:12:38 AM
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Perhaps, but he's spot-on regarding on China's industrial and currency policies. *NM*
24/01/2012 01:12:44 PM
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Then he could surely find something to share.
24/01/2012 03:01:00 PM
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What is was all about amounts to America playing by softball rules in a hardball game.
24/01/2012 11:27:30 PM
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