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Well, that's kind of what I meant. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM
I also think it's fair for opponents of the photo ID requirement to point out how it might disproportionately affect certain segments who can less easily absorb/overcome the additional complication for lack of a better word.


I don't understand how you can go about everyday life without having an ID. Its not needed only for voting. We're not asking for a special ID for voting. We're asking for an ID that allows you to do things from buy cigarettes/alcohol and apply for a job to use your bank/credit card and hell, sometimes even EBT card. There are many instances where it is needed in everyday life. To be so irresponsible as to not have one for any extended period of time is outright inexcusable and shameful.

I can understand arguments about having trouble getting replacements, or renewing them exactly on time. But to go an extended period of time without them I can't understand. Its called responsibility. I was raised (quite recently, being 24) that you take responsibility for yourself and act as an adult when you become one. Was I raised incorrectly?


You see it as irresponsible because you can't imagine not needing one to live your life, so you see it as something that should be prioritized. But it's all too possible to live without one (or at least without a photo ID specifically). Plenty of people don't buy alcohol or tobacco ;) and plenty of people are able to buy them without an ID. There's a whole separate financial culture that doesn't use banks at all but survives on money orders, payday lenders, and other shady sorts of ripoffs. Of course it's better for people to have a valid photo ID at all times, and it just makes sense to do so. I also have no problem with there being consequences for choosing not to have one for whatever reason. I'm just not convinced that taking away their ability to vote should be one of them (although I'm also not convinced requiring a photo ID would do that, to be honest).
If you are from Betelgeuse, please have one of your Earth friends read what I've written before you respond. Or try concentrating harder.

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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1805 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 485 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 917 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 812 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 956 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 522 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 769 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 624 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 726 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 671 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 832 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 821 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 474 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 862 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 821 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 746 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 468 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 817 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 494 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 570 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 837 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 482 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 513 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 806 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 819 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 868 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 879 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 749 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 946 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 843 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 933 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 477 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 966 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 484 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 870 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 810 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 484 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 847 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 862 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 584 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 495 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 878 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 826 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 770 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 514 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 385 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 843 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 497 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 882 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 845 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 817 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 776 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 999 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 897 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 821 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 821 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 859 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1010 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 766 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 860 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 882 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 807 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 498 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 800 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 740 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 734 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 772 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 978 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 892 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1086 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 846 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 953 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 733 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 957 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 800 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 968 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 724 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 772 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 870 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1008 Views

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