Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy...
beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM
But, looking at recent years, it seems like the only way to combat piracy is to make "legal" downloading more convenient than piracy. It's basically a given at this point that you can't create a file secure enough that it can't be hacked. And anti-piracy measures often become counter-productive: special keys and codes you need to save, needing your computer be always connected to the internet, only allowing a buyer to re-download a few times before his purchase "expires," restricting the ways you can use what you've bought. These things don't exist on pirated versions, so it just makes people more willing to pirate.
Music: iTunes isn't perfect, but it's been a step in the right direction. iTunes allows you to get the music you want quickly, safely, and relatively cheaply. It needs some work on DRM- if I buy a song, I want to do whatever the hell I want with it- but it's a good step.
Games: If you don't play video games, you've probably never heard of Steam. Steam is a computer program that acts as a kind of a super-iTunes for video games- you have a staggering library to browse through, and things are often cheap or on sale.
Amazingly though, Steam has very little DRM. Your games are saved to your account, and you can install them and uninstall them as much as you want. You need to be online to buy and download the game, but once it's on your computer, that's all. Moreover, Steam is well-known for customer service and ease-of-use.
I used to pirate a TON of games back in the day. Various reasons, sometimes I couldn't afford it, sometimes I couldn't find it, sometimes I was lazy, etc. Steam fixes a lot of those problems. 90% of the games on Steam I probably could have gotten for free if I had tried really hard to pirate them, but that's the key- "try really hard." Do I really want to spend an entire day downloading various disc images and CD keys and patches? Or do I want to click 2 buttons and be done with it?
Movies/TV Again, this comes down to ease-of-use. People want to watch what they want, when they want. With Tivo, Netflix, and more importantly, the Internet, they can. I LOVE watching professional-grade episodes of shows on network web sites. Only problem? The networks are often terrible about archiving.
If I want to watch something from Season 2 of Archer, legally? Out of luck. Can't find it on the network's site. Netflix doesn't have it. The DVD isn't for sale.
But, oh look, I can go to any number of unauthorized streaming sites, and watch it. So again, "pirating" means I have to search through dozens of shady links of poor quality before finding what I want.
Maybe Joel or others will say, "it's not for sale, it's their IP, too bad." To them I say, you're living in a dream world. It's 2012. If it exists, you can get it online. The only demonstrated way to reduce piracy is to make it convenient to obtain something legally.
(Which, as I think has been mentioned in a previous post, is why SOPA is a failure on multiple levels- it wouldn't even stop piracy)
The "we must stamp out piracy at all costs!" mindset of the older studios, while understandable, isn't particularly productive. The way to deal with the problem is to figure out where the new markets are (the Internet) and how best to deal with them (by making thing as open and easy as possible).
Music: iTunes isn't perfect, but it's been a step in the right direction. iTunes allows you to get the music you want quickly, safely, and relatively cheaply. It needs some work on DRM- if I buy a song, I want to do whatever the hell I want with it- but it's a good step.
Games: If you don't play video games, you've probably never heard of Steam. Steam is a computer program that acts as a kind of a super-iTunes for video games- you have a staggering library to browse through, and things are often cheap or on sale.
Amazingly though, Steam has very little DRM. Your games are saved to your account, and you can install them and uninstall them as much as you want. You need to be online to buy and download the game, but once it's on your computer, that's all. Moreover, Steam is well-known for customer service and ease-of-use.
I used to pirate a TON of games back in the day. Various reasons, sometimes I couldn't afford it, sometimes I couldn't find it, sometimes I was lazy, etc. Steam fixes a lot of those problems. 90% of the games on Steam I probably could have gotten for free if I had tried really hard to pirate them, but that's the key- "try really hard." Do I really want to spend an entire day downloading various disc images and CD keys and patches? Or do I want to click 2 buttons and be done with it?
Movies/TV Again, this comes down to ease-of-use. People want to watch what they want, when they want. With Tivo, Netflix, and more importantly, the Internet, they can. I LOVE watching professional-grade episodes of shows on network web sites. Only problem? The networks are often terrible about archiving.
If I want to watch something from Season 2 of Archer, legally? Out of luck. Can't find it on the network's site. Netflix doesn't have it. The DVD isn't for sale.
But, oh look, I can go to any number of unauthorized streaming sites, and watch it. So again, "pirating" means I have to search through dozens of shady links of poor quality before finding what I want.
Maybe Joel or others will say, "it's not for sale, it's their IP, too bad." To them I say, you're living in a dream world. It's 2012. If it exists, you can get it online. The only demonstrated way to reduce piracy is to make it convenient to obtain something legally.
(Which, as I think has been mentioned in a previous post, is why SOPA is a failure on multiple levels- it wouldn't even stop piracy)
The "we must stamp out piracy at all costs!" mindset of the older studios, while understandable, isn't particularly productive. The way to deal with the problem is to figure out where the new markets are (the Internet) and how best to deal with them (by making thing as open and easy as possible).
I amuse myself.
English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout
17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM
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Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right?
17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM
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"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"?
17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM
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I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills?
17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM
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I admit I have not looked into it much
17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM
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And yet you're still arguing the matter.
18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM
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I love you. *NM*
18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM
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heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM*
18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM
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Can i second the adulation?
18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM
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I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM*
18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM
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Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill.
18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM
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Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this.
18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM
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Also, in the case of the OPEN Act, it has not "been proposed for months."
18/01/2012 07:28:15 PM
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"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please.
18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM
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I would not have thought a source necessary.
18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM
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Okay, I'm with Aemon now.
18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM
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OK.
18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM
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should be interesting
17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM
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Could be; depends on a lot of factors.
17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM
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See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding.
17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM
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So tell them that.
17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM
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Joel, I think I'm done with this unless you want to do some research.
18/01/2012 02:53:19 AM
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Research would tell me what is wrong with these bills and how a good bill should look.
18/01/2012 11:22:46 AM
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Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good.
17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM
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I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust.
17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM
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Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright?
18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM
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There seems to be some overlap.
18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM
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Re: There seems to be some overlap.
18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM
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Re: There still seems to be some overlap.
18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM
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Re: There still seems to be some overlap.
18/01/2012 11:30:39 PM
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Just because the news does not mention something does not automatically make it non-applicable.
19/01/2012 04:08:58 PM
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Re: Just because the news does not mention something does not automatically make it non-applicable.
19/01/2012 10:39:40 PM
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If you re-read your last sentence it should be clear why this law is being pushed.
20/01/2012 09:12:29 PM
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Re: If you re-read your last sentence it should be clear why this law is being pushed.
21/01/2012 03:19:49 AM
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Er, what Ghav said.
18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM
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Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments.
18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM
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Okay, another analogy:
18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM
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The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision.
18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM
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what they SHOULD do is stop taking money from proponents of sopa/pipa
18/01/2012 03:51:09 PM
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Yes, they should, but, once again, that approach will not prevent a new law.
18/01/2012 04:05:02 PM
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Re: The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision.
18/01/2012 04:27:30 PM
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If the US government wants to summarily block sites within the US, it already can and will.
18/01/2012 06:15:53 PM
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You know all this anti-SOPA bullshit is making me hope the bill passes.
18/01/2012 04:00:17 AM
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I would not go THAT far; it seems clear these bills have many objectionable provisions.
18/01/2012 11:41:23 AM
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Re: I would not go THAT far; it seems clear these bills have many objectionable provisions.
19/01/2012 01:57:46 AM
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Yeah, the extreme bias on both sides is why the bills will likely pass more or less as written.
19/01/2012 03:31:52 PM
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joel, you need to consider three things
18/01/2012 06:06:16 AM
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You need to consider that they WILL pass some legislation, and what you want it to contain.
18/01/2012 12:15:38 PM
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again, it's not about piracy, it's about protecting the mpaa/riaa business model at our expense
18/01/2012 03:34:32 PM
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Yeah, see, that is the problem: "it's not about piracy."
18/01/2012 03:57:55 PM
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if piracy is such a problem then the mpaa/riaa need to PROVE their losses
19/01/2012 02:43:31 AM
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How do you expect anyone to prove what people WOULD HAVE bought if they could not just take it?
19/01/2012 03:57:24 PM
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A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP
18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM
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"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin."
18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM
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Wikipedia has already convinced me
18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM
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Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation.
18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM
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It isn't their job to propose legislation
18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM
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No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else.
18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM
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Strike three.
18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM
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That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing.
18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM
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Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me
18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM
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Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no.
18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM
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About "proposing new legislation"
18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM
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So true
18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM
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Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy...
18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM
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Re: About "proposing new legislation"
18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM
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Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy.
18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM
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I would not recommend photocopying a book and handing it out on street corners.
18/01/2012 06:45:52 PM
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Not to blame, neccessarily. But you have to live in the real world.
18/01/2012 07:31:18 PM
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Re: Not to blame, neccessarily. But you have to live in the real world.
18/01/2012 08:55:59 PM
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I always liked the codewheels SSI provided with copies of their Gold Box AD&D games.
18/01/2012 10:07:40 PM
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These are really different arguments
19/01/2012 12:05:10 AM
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TV is slightly different, because regional availability becomes a factor.
19/01/2012 04:18:58 PM
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Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM*
18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM
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Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM*
18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM
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Or just disable Java. *NM*
19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM
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That's not as much fun though. *NM*
19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM
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Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM*
19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM
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I really don't see the fun in that. Wikipedia is just a tool, not a game. *NM*
19/01/2012 04:59:14 AM
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I don't know about those (except French), but none of the ones I ever used are remotely as good. *NM*
18/01/2012 08:13:47 PM
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Russian wikipedia is very good if you're not checking some obscure Western cultural phenomena.
19/01/2012 01:57:43 AM
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Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia...
19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM
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Re: Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... *NM*
19/01/2012 01:34:46 AM
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Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students!
19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM
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13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA.
19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM
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How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place?
20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM
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