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The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM
Picture a giant outdoor wall. Or, even better, thousands of them, in varying sizes.

Anyone can post whatever they want up there, generally- the wall space is there, they just have to make the poster. If someone posts something particularly awful, then police figure out who posted it, arrest them, and take down the offending poster.

What these bills do is put the onus of the policing on whoever owns the wall.

So, instead of having a big, public wall where people can put up their posters, now each owner of every wall will have to examine every poster that goes up, make sure it conforms to any number of dozens, hundreds, of different rules, and then finally put it up. If the owner doesn't do this, he will get fined, maybe worse.

In this analogy, the posters are ANYTHING you post on the web, ANYWHERE. Links, pictures, videos, text.

Which, you might say, is OK. Things people post should be regulated. Except the extent and scope of these bills are insane. It's like saying that, to prevent anyone from shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater, every single person should have to carry a recorder that monitors what they say.

The internet is heavily, HEAVILY dependent on user content. RAFO is an example- we come here to read the posts, and also post our own things. How would it be if our admin had to manually sift through every single thing we post?
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Of course, it probably wouldn't happen like that. What WOULD happen is, the Internet would turn into Youtube. Do you know much about Youtube's policies?

Basically, Youtube has to deal with thousands of banned videos a day. Sometimes it's porn, sometimes it's copyrighted content, sometimes it's something else. The point is, there is SO MUCH of it that, whenever someone registers a complaint, it is essentially yanked off of the site immediately. There's no way to stop it, and appealing it is a HUGE headache.

Youtube isn't the Evil Empire, of course- it's just a business. And even though it's part of a big corporation, it just doesn't have the manpower to manually review every challenge and make a thoughtful, measured decision. Plus, the risk is too high- do they really want to be sued by NBC over the definition of "fair use?"

That is what the internet would turn into. Big sites, like Youtube, could handle it, though they'd likely get a bit more draconian. Little sites would dry up, because they wouldn't be able to afford the kind of intense regulation the bills require.

Even Congress concedes that. I DO think the onus should be on sites to control what goes through their pipes, but also agree there should be a limit to that onus, one that stops well short of effectively disconnecting them if they happen to miss something. The appropriate response would be a process by which offending content would be removed, subject to independent oversight. Part of the problem here is that we already have a law very close to that (the main difference is the lack of independent oversight,) its inadequacy to the task motivated the pending legislation and the same people who are most critical of the pending legislation are highly critical of that inadequate laws "censorship."

It is hard to take critics of the pending legislation seriously when they argue the existing law that does not do enough actually does too much.

As with so much of government, the bottom line remains: Tell them what they SHOULD do instead of what they should NOT do.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2167 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 996 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1106 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1206 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1052 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1160 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 658 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 644 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 882 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 641 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1056 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1061 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 975 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1044 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1073 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1062 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1075 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1105 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 778 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 987 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 579 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 932 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1002 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1009 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1161 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 927 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1071 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 922 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1028 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 919 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1181 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 939 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 991 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 934 Views
The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM 984 Views
Re: The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 04:27:30 PM 1019 Views
If the US government wants to summarily block sites within the US, it already can and will. - 18/01/2012 06:15:53 PM 957 Views
NO - you are still wrong on this point - 19/01/2012 02:38:14 AM 960 Views
Power, or authority? - 19/01/2012 03:41:24 PM 1036 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 944 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1204 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 943 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 969 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1009 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 819 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1048 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 967 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 949 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1008 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 821 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1092 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 928 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1005 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1017 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1078 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1016 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 936 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 636 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 616 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1160 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 956 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 687 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 945 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 680 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 548 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 674 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 485 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1046 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 980 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1059 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1094 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1048 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1150 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1040 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1008 Views

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