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It undermines one of our stated goals, sure, but that particular goal was bunk from the outset. Joel Send a noteboard - 17/01/2012 06:50:11 AM
Sorry, imposing democracy was an implausible goal, however often stated, and doubly so when premised on the notion we could do it in under five years.

I don't disagree with that, but your insistence on breaking it down shows that you're completely missing the point. I don't feel like being in a multi-paragraph argument about it. If you want to know what I think, just go back to my first comment. That's the point, and where I stop.

The whole world always knew that, so in the grand scheme of things what a few Marines did on their own is neither here nor there to the credibility of a stated goal with no credibility in the first place. Their behavior was not wrong, but not for that reason; the US has signed treaties prohibiting mocking and profaning the dead like that.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Marines piss on the corpses of Taliban? Tom - 13/01/2012 03:28:08 PM 1699 Views
Eh, it makes our guys look like uncivilized barbarian hicks. beetnemesis - 13/01/2012 03:37:24 PM 865 Views
They're not? *NM* callandor1000 - 17/01/2012 09:52:28 AM 450 Views
Probably not the only one. nossy - 13/01/2012 03:51:18 PM 1015 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 13/01/2012 08:11:57 PM 422 Views
Well said. *NM* ironclad - 13/01/2012 10:52:26 PM 391 Views
Excellent post. MonCul - 14/01/2012 04:23:32 PM 741 Views
well said indeed. *NM* Aisha - 14/01/2012 06:30:21 PM 455 Views
Actually, IIRC, we were told the Afghanistan war was important because of the Talibans threat to us. Joel - 14/01/2012 11:18:28 PM 714 Views
Yes, that was part of it. Of course. AND we were going to help bring democracy. nossy - 15/01/2012 12:42:57 AM 688 Views
If we have time, sure. Joel - 15/01/2012 10:18:31 PM 819 Views
ooookay. *NM* nossy - 16/01/2012 12:12:06 AM 403 Views
? Joel - 16/01/2012 01:17:37 AM 747 Views
Re: ? nossy - 16/01/2012 12:22:39 PM 737 Views
I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). Tom - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM 737 Views
Doesn't matter. nossy - 16/01/2012 02:33:53 PM 735 Views
Your definition of "terrible thing" seems quite elastic. Tom - 16/01/2012 07:21:12 PM 654 Views
I knew I had a good reason to hate you! nossy - 16/01/2012 09:14:47 PM 736 Views
It took this post for you to realize that? Tom - 16/01/2012 09:17:00 PM 734 Views
It undermines one of our stated goals, sure, but that particular goal was bunk from the outset. Joel - 17/01/2012 06:50:11 AM 815 Views
I am pissed at them random thoughts - 13/01/2012 06:00:56 PM 1019 Views
Yup. *NM* Macharius - 13/01/2012 06:07:10 PM 427 Views
Congratulations: You are now where a LOT of Americans have been on a LOT of US policy over the years Joel - 14/01/2012 07:43:24 AM 828 Views
Congratulations you have again missed the point Ray - 14/01/2012 05:06:24 PM 738 Views
Not at all, you have just evidently decided it is relevant now that the President is a Democrat. Joel - 14/01/2012 11:04:17 PM 949 Views
Joel, you're full of shit in this particular case Larry - 16/01/2012 12:05:54 AM 974 Views
Let's edit slightly: Joel, you're full of shit in this particular case Tom - 16/01/2012 12:57:22 AM 770 Views
I do need some editing, on occasion Larry - 16/01/2012 02:42:50 AM 694 Views
He is applying a double standard, a practice I dislike intensely. Joel - 16/01/2012 01:15:05 AM 773 Views
no Joel you just can't see passed your politics Ray - 16/01/2012 02:15:51 AM 797 Views
I recall your disappointment in the soldiers then, but also your rejection of the view you took here Joel - 16/01/2012 02:27:36 AM 695 Views
Nope, you aren't. Amyrlin - 13/01/2012 07:08:06 PM 683 Views
I don't think that urinating on a dead body reflects well on anyone. Nate - 13/01/2012 07:47:20 PM 666 Views
Its indicitive of a breakdown in discipline and the erosion of the values of the corps. Urza - 13/01/2012 09:57:15 PM 886 Views
I thought this WAS the issue at hand. I haven't paid much attention to this story. *NM* Cannoli - 14/01/2012 12:00:53 AM 408 Views
I have a strong feeling that this was not the worst that's been done to those bodies Larry - 13/01/2012 10:43:34 PM 801 Views
any army simply reflects the society it is created from random thoughts - 13/01/2012 11:06:57 PM 865 Views
Agreed Larry - 14/01/2012 12:37:45 AM 744 Views
You're far from the only one, but I don't agree with it. LadyLorraine - 14/01/2012 12:17:31 AM 820 Views
Apparently the Taliban aren't too put out by it. They're still willing to negotiate and talk. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2012 01:32:59 AM 673 Views
Professional soldiers need to consider the impact of their actions on the cause Isaac - 14/01/2012 08:25:30 AM 650 Views
Awful. Worst post ever. *NM* Gaps - 14/01/2012 05:12:41 PM 560 Views
Agreed. *NM* Aisha - 14/01/2012 06:28:25 PM 401 Views
That's absurdly stupid of both of you. Expression of legitimate opinion hardly qualifies as "worst" Tom - 14/01/2012 08:46:30 PM 719 Views
it is our OPINION that this is the worst post ever. Aisha - 14/01/2012 11:32:49 PM 714 Views
Wow. Remind me to point this out the next time Dragonsoul attacks you. Tom - 15/01/2012 02:52:47 AM 734 Views
im a little surprised that you are this offended by us calling your post the worst ever. *NM* Aisha - 15/01/2012 03:52:51 AM 442 Views
Given the shit I've seen and the miserable way you've expressed yourself, I'm surprised. Tom - 15/01/2012 04:42:41 PM 662 Views
I agree worst post ever is one hell of a high bar Ray - 15/01/2012 03:52:42 AM 741 Views
I vaguely remember that post Aisha - 15/01/2012 04:06:32 AM 669 Views
Seriously, I once posted nude pics of a chat admins wife and THIS is the worst post ever? *NM* Urza - 15/01/2012 05:28:32 AM 389 Views
wow...thats kinda fucked up Adam..... *NM* Aisha - 15/01/2012 05:58:37 AM 330 Views
Thank you. *bows* *NM* Urza - 15/01/2012 06:46:03 AM 370 Views
Personally, I expected a little more nuance from you. Gaps - 15/01/2012 03:52:24 PM 1009 Views
Well, and I would have expected a lot more nuance from you. Your response was worthless. Tom - 15/01/2012 04:40:57 PM 887 Views
moral? jh - 14/01/2012 09:53:01 PM 805 Views
I agree it was stupid to record it, and a breach of policy. Tom - 14/01/2012 11:05:49 PM 680 Views
im just baffled Aisha - 14/01/2012 11:36:32 PM 705 Views
Well, in the future you can expect it. Tom - 15/01/2012 02:54:59 AM 689 Views
nobody said you had to cry about it....just acknowledge its a fucked up thing to do Aisha - 15/01/2012 03:38:29 AM 663 Views
This shows that you are a bit of a sociopath *NM* Helene - 15/01/2012 08:08:39 AM 365 Views
But we knew that already. *NM* nossy - 15/01/2012 11:18:02 AM 387 Views
You're still upset I called American girls prudes. Tom - 15/01/2012 04:43:31 PM 627 Views
I had forgotten you called American girls prudes Helene - 16/01/2012 10:22:50 AM 712 Views
You're right, I'm not really bothered. Tom - 16/01/2012 09:18:50 PM 1071 Views
There are all kinds of rationalizations why peeing on dead bodies isn't that bad in the grand Helene - 17/01/2012 10:32:45 PM 1040 Views
What is it about this post that is bringing the mediocre intellectuals out of the woodwork? *NM* Dan - 17/01/2012 03:18:29 AM 383 Views
I don't know why you're posting, so you tell us? *NM* Helene - 17/01/2012 10:28:59 PM 428 Views
as someone said on the radio recently... Yunalesca - 16/01/2012 08:41:25 PM 719 Views
They aren't conditioned to murder, much less "in cold blood" Tom - 16/01/2012 09:15:54 PM 798 Views
surprisingly there really is no conditioning to kill random thoughts - 16/01/2012 09:33:51 PM 727 Views
You used the phrase enemy combatant... Helene - 17/01/2012 10:34:41 PM 704 Views
they are a problematic enemy Ray - 17/01/2012 11:41:11 PM 1015 Views
stop listening to idiots on the radio *NM* random thoughts - 16/01/2012 09:16:42 PM 366 Views
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