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I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). Tom Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM
The "bringing democracy" part has always been an afterthought. If you look at the rhetoric of the Bush and now Obama administrations, there is a clear emphasis on counterinsurgency and making sure the Taliban don't come back to power. Yes, part of the reason we say they shouldn't come back is because they aren't democratic, but the primary reason is, as stated over and over and over, that they would provide safe haven for al Qaeda.

The Taliban helped al Qaeda attack us on September 11. Much as we might like to disentangle them now if it allows us to get out of Afghanistan (and I'm not saying everyone sees the need for that, either), we know that Mullah Omar had appointed bin Laden to a very high post connected with defense. They weren't just offering safe haven to al Qaeda; they were actively working with them. Al Qaeda operatives had blown up Massood just a day earlier, clearing the way for the Taliban to take the last part of the country not in their control.

Iraq was touted as a mission of democracy FAR more than Afghanistan. Of course, I couldn't care less if we brought democracy to them - democracy can't be imposed from without anyway.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Marines piss on the corpses of Taliban? - 13/01/2012 03:28:08 PM 1933 Views
Eh, it makes our guys look like uncivilized barbarian hicks. - 13/01/2012 03:37:24 PM 1127 Views
They're not? *NM* - 17/01/2012 09:52:28 AM 565 Views
Probably not the only one. - 13/01/2012 03:51:18 PM 1260 Views
I agree. *NM* - 13/01/2012 08:11:57 PM 553 Views
Well said. *NM* - 13/01/2012 10:52:26 PM 518 Views
Excellent post. - 14/01/2012 04:23:32 PM 963 Views
well said indeed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:30:21 PM 570 Views
Actually, IIRC, we were told the Afghanistan war was important because of the Talibans threat to us. - 14/01/2012 11:18:28 PM 963 Views
Yes, that was part of it. Of course. AND we were going to help bring democracy. - 15/01/2012 12:42:57 AM 969 Views
If we have time, sure. - 15/01/2012 10:18:31 PM 1118 Views
ooookay. *NM* - 16/01/2012 12:12:06 AM 516 Views
? - 16/01/2012 01:17:37 AM 1009 Views
Re: ? - 16/01/2012 12:22:39 PM 1003 Views
I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM 989 Views
Doesn't matter. - 16/01/2012 02:33:53 PM 1031 Views
Your definition of "terrible thing" seems quite elastic. - 16/01/2012 07:21:12 PM 906 Views
I knew I had a good reason to hate you! - 16/01/2012 09:14:47 PM 1047 Views
It took this post for you to realize that? - 16/01/2012 09:17:00 PM 945 Views
I am pissed at them - 13/01/2012 06:00:56 PM 1266 Views
Yup. *NM* - 13/01/2012 06:07:10 PM 584 Views
Nope, you aren't. - 13/01/2012 07:08:06 PM 918 Views
I have a strong feeling that this was not the worst that's been done to those bodies - 13/01/2012 10:43:34 PM 1058 Views
any army simply reflects the society it is created from - 13/01/2012 11:06:57 PM 1115 Views
Agreed - 14/01/2012 12:37:45 AM 974 Views
You're far from the only one, but I don't agree with it. - 14/01/2012 12:17:31 AM 1069 Views
Awful. Worst post ever. *NM* - 14/01/2012 05:12:41 PM 752 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:28:25 PM 507 Views
moral? - 14/01/2012 09:53:01 PM 1062 Views
I agree it was stupid to record it, and a breach of policy. - 14/01/2012 11:05:49 PM 951 Views
im just baffled - 14/01/2012 11:36:32 PM 1019 Views
Well, in the future you can expect it. - 15/01/2012 02:54:59 AM 931 Views
This shows that you are a bit of a sociopath *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:08:39 AM 532 Views
But we knew that already. *NM* - 15/01/2012 11:18:02 AM 520 Views
You're still upset I called American girls prudes. - 15/01/2012 04:43:31 PM 882 Views
I had forgotten you called American girls prudes - 16/01/2012 10:22:50 AM 993 Views
as someone said on the radio recently... - 16/01/2012 08:41:25 PM 970 Views
They aren't conditioned to murder, much less "in cold blood" - 16/01/2012 09:15:54 PM 1071 Views
surprisingly there really is no conditioning to kill - 16/01/2012 09:33:51 PM 965 Views
You used the phrase enemy combatant... - 17/01/2012 10:34:41 PM 954 Views
they are a problematic enemy - 17/01/2012 11:41:11 PM 1372 Views
stop listening to idiots on the radio *NM* - 16/01/2012 09:16:42 PM 485 Views

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