So segregation when done by private businesses is ok?
Vivien Send a noteboard - 11/01/2012 02:20:32 PM
It is NOT. I can't believe this is a point of contention. No fruitful discussion possible if we don't agree that 2 and 2 is 4...
I hate how he's constantly billed as the libertarian candidate given his extreme views on social issues. Oh yeah, except for the weed. Big deal- you absolutely cannot be pro liberty if you seek to limit the rights of half the human race. (And that's even before you delve into his issues with people that are not white, not straight, etc). Basically, he could only be a white man's idea of a libertarian.
You do not have to be a woman to be offended when women's rights are threatened. Women are human beings first so women's rights are human rights. Absolutely everyone should be offended by Ron Paul.
Some will say- oh he just wants to leave it to the states!
1. No he does not. He is favor of a personhood amendment.
2. Even if it was true that he would want to leave it to the states, that would also be wrong. Personal liberty cannot be optional. States absolutely should not be able to choose to, say, let private businesses choose not to serve customers that are not of a certain race.
You do not have to be a woman to be offended when women's rights are threatened. Women are human beings first so women's rights are human rights. Absolutely everyone should be offended by Ron Paul.
Some will say- oh he just wants to leave it to the states!
1. No he does not. He is favor of a personhood amendment.
2. Even if it was true that he would want to leave it to the states, that would also be wrong. Personal liberty cannot be optional. States absolutely should not be able to choose to, say, let private businesses choose not to serve customers that are not of a certain race.
None of the others stand a chance against Obama in the general election.
That number is pretty meaningless. If nearly 60% of republicans find Ron Paul acceptable, then he could be the nominee. Right now he's tied with Romney and Santorum for the lead. Paul's platform has more support than the media would like you to believe. A lot of people are sick of meaningless wars and having the US try (and fail) to solve all of the world's problems while our own continue unchecked. As a college student myself, cutting student loans would have no impact on my support for him. With the tax money I'd save if he could make even a fraction of the cuts he's mentioned, I wouldn't need loans anyway. Really, based on the issues, Ron Paul is the only candidate I want to see as president.
Unfortunately, you're right; it probably won't happen. Instead, Obama will be getting a second term.
I recently saw a survey where over 40% of republicans find him unacceptable, that was twice the number of any other candidate. Sorry but Ron Paul really doesn't have much support outside his loopy base and even most them don't support his platform so much as they support the idea of him. How strong would his support be among college students if he really did cutoff their student loans? I know all the cool kids like him but that won't get you in Oval Office.
That number is pretty meaningless. If nearly 60% of republicans find Ron Paul acceptable, then he could be the nominee. Right now he's tied with Romney and Santorum for the lead. Paul's platform has more support than the media would like you to believe. A lot of people are sick of meaningless wars and having the US try (and fail) to solve all of the world's problems while our own continue unchecked. As a college student myself, cutting student loans would have no impact on my support for him. With the tax money I'd save if he could make even a fraction of the cuts he's mentioned, I wouldn't need loans anyway. Really, based on the issues, Ron Paul is the only candidate I want to see as president.
Unfortunately, you're right; it probably won't happen. Instead, Obama will be getting a second term.
Private businesses have the right to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY reason (or none.)
I do agree with you that who does and does not have human rights should not be a states rights issue (which is really what "letting the states decide" abortion is.) We went through this in 1860, but unfortunately we made the mistake then of fighting a war over whether states rights existed rather than whether human rights preempt them, and left the Ninth and Tenth Amendments on the book despite deciding they did not. Thus the issue has been forever muddled since, and people selectively invoke states rights when it suits them while ignoring states rights when it does NOT suit them.
Paul is billed as the libertarian candidate because the Libertarian Party nominated him for president, which is a good reason so long as one does not distinguish between libertarianism in general and the Libertarian Party.
Santorum is #2 in Iowa
- 04/01/2012 01:24:13 PM
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would you stop using that word? It is gross. *NM*
- 04/01/2012 01:48:45 PM
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What's your word for it? *NM*
- 04/01/2012 03:43:44 PM
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Well, there's nothing wrong with Santoruming in the privacy of one's home.
- 04/01/2012 02:35:56 PM
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yeah that it so funny
- 04/01/2012 03:05:59 PM
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he kind of brought it on himself by being so decidedly anti-gay that it pissed lots of people off
- 04/01/2012 04:36:39 PM
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maybe the gays brought all the gay bashing on themselves
- 05/01/2012 03:18:15 PM
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Civility is a social contract
- 05/01/2012 04:39:46 PM
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so now that the gays have broken that contract they are fair game?
- 05/01/2012 06:37:52 PM
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Re: so now that the gays have broken that contract they are fair game?
- 06/01/2012 05:29:49 PM
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So is it OK if just insult the gays who are politically active and push their agenda?
- 06/01/2012 06:16:30 PM
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If you call them out by name for hypocrisy, then sure.
- 10/01/2012 05:22:34 PM
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yes but once you have thrown out all civil decency why start getting nuanced?
- 11/01/2012 09:09:13 PM
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Actually, your response was expected
- 04/01/2012 10:08:33 PM
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do you still pretend that it isn't political?
- 05/01/2012 03:14:25 PM
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I'm sorry
- 05/01/2012 03:52:57 PM
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funny how it always woks out that way
- 05/01/2012 06:44:55 PM
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Believe what you will, but my wok skills are poor 
- 05/01/2012 07:32:17 PM
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- 05/01/2012 07:32:17 PM
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You should ask one of the gays to help you. I hear the gays are good at cooking. *NM*
- 06/01/2012 01:54:21 AM
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Santorum is a man who believes you must compare homosexual love to bestiality and pedophilia
- 05/01/2012 04:42:26 AM
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and Savage is a Man who believes that vulgar personal attacks
- 05/01/2012 03:12:42 PM
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Why should a person tolerate intolerance? (Serious question.) *NM*
- 05/01/2012 08:46:05 PM
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The question boils down to why should someone tolerate what they think is wrong.
- 05/01/2012 10:53:40 PM
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and when santorum tells you that your lifestyle is worse than pedophilia and bestiality?
- 06/01/2012 03:34:52 AM
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To be fair...
- 06/01/2012 05:32:31 AM
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You are correct
- 06/01/2012 01:21:18 PM
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Then it seems like it's a problem of definitions more than anything else.
- 06/01/2012 09:48:49 PM
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Following the logic to its bitter end. Why do I do this to myself???
- 06/01/2012 10:14:01 PM
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Following the logic to its bitter end. Why do I do this to myself???
- 06/01/2012 10:14:01 PM
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Those are really not equivalent.
- 06/01/2012 04:18:37 PM
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Re: Those are really not equivalent.
- 06/01/2012 10:27:11 PM
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I don't like your definition of tolerance and you're not consistent with it anyway.
- 07/01/2012 01:49:05 AM
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In case you were curious, I really disagree with your understanding of tolerance. *NM*
- 09/01/2012 08:24:45 PM
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I find myself agreeing with you recently
So at this point, most of the candidates had a moment at the top. Kind of awesome.
- 05/01/2012 11:22:50 PM
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that is why Perry is staying in the race
- 06/01/2012 06:20:54 PM
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He should stay, they should all stay. Trump should get back into it and Palin should jump in too.
- 06/01/2012 07:00:52 PM
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It would be the joke of the year if Huntsman got a turn.
- 06/01/2012 10:59:36 PM
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Is he a bigger long shot than Santorum, though? Gingrich? Bachman? CAIN!?
- 07/01/2012 01:34:47 AM
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Yes, for the reason you state.
- 07/01/2012 03:04:39 PM
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I really do not agree.
- 09/01/2012 08:51:46 PM
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Like I said, check Obamas numbers any time in the last year and a half.
- 10/01/2012 11:41:47 AM
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More like everyone has had a moment running second to Romney.
- 07/01/2012 01:59:25 PM
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It's not a foregone conclusion yet.
- 07/01/2012 04:03:51 PM
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It kinda is; Paul cannot even win a majority of Republicans, let alone the country.
- 07/01/2012 09:09:07 PM
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Ironically, Paul has a better chance of winning the general election than the republican primary.
- 07/01/2012 10:14:07 PM
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What's the likelihood of Paul running as an independent/3rd party if he doesn't get the GOP nod? *NM*
- 07/01/2012 10:21:23 PM
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Not very high, I think. He didn't try it last time either, and it would hand Obama the election. *NM*
- 08/01/2012 01:29:01 AM
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many states have laws that you cannot run 3rd party after being on the ballot for a party primary
- 08/01/2012 06:12:36 AM
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Yes, he and Romney have that in common, but Pauls positions are (mostly) sincere.
- 10/01/2012 03:46:04 PM
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give up the hope it is nothing more than a pipe dream
- 09/01/2012 02:57:03 PM
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All of the republican candidates are pipe dreams.
- 09/01/2012 08:56:57 PM
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I find Ron Paul absolutely infuriating.
- 09/01/2012 10:44:09 PM
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Paul is an equal opportunity infuriator, to borrow Vivien's word.
- 09/01/2012 10:56:57 PM
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The original santorum 2003 interview for those who want to know
- 07/01/2012 05:32:00 AM
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And here is the 2002 op ed where he blamed liberalism causing the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal
- 07/01/2012 05:36:39 AM
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