Re: while I, of course, disagree with your conclusion.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/01/2012 07:38:39 PM
Why would that mean he's not actually a candidate? He would have vastly greater influence still to promote his ideas as President.
Like I said: he's not actually a candidate because he doesn't want to be president bad enough to be willing to pay the price. The price being to adapt his views and statements to cater to the voters' taste. Some candidates compromise more than others, give up more of their beliefs than others, but any serious candidate has to compromise rather a lot. Paul doesn't want to; he cares more about being consistent and true to himself than he cares about becoming president. As long as that's the case, he won't *be* president.
It could happen. After Iowa, there's a three-way tie for first place between Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul. With very few votes counted so far in New Hampshire, Paul is a close second to Romney there too.
The Republican field is hopelessly divided, and Paul has the advantage that his fans tend to be the most loyal by far, and aren't very likely to run from one flavor of the week to the next, like so many of the Republican voters. But as Random Thoughts points out below, Paul's views on numerous issues are so far from the mainstream that his negative ratings are far higher than most other candidates' - most of the people who aren't already for him are very unlikely to ever get there. Iowa is massively biased towards candidates with particularly loyal followings, what with the caucus system. NH is not, but hardly representative for the country as a whole - there's a reason why that one project (whose name escapes me, sorry) chose NH as the state to found its Libertarian republic in.
If by some miracle Ron Paul does get the republican nomination, I think he goes on to become President. (For the record, if by an even greater miracle Jon Huntsman were to be the republican nominee, the general election will be a contest too close for me to call. If it's anyone else: Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, or Romney, than Barack Obama will serve a second term.)
That is extremely unlikely. If Ron Paul does get the nomination, and if he continues to stand by all of his key stances, the Republican party will get the soundest beating it's gotten since Barry Goldwater, or quite probably even worse. Being admired for your honesty and integrity is all good and well, but it won't compensate for having crazy policies, and as noted before, Paul's combination of stances is such as to make just about everybody find at least one of his stances crazy. There are definitely some independents and some Democrats who are attracted to Paul - but you'll forgive me for saying most of them are attracted either because they realize he'll never be a viable candidate anyway, or because they aren't aware of some of his stances. Or because they're foreigners - Paul's status as cult hero in student circles isn't limited to the US.
Agreed about Huntsman, I think, but I really wouldn't be too sure Obama will have such an easy time with Romney. Or even with Gingrich, should he make it there. The other two, agreed.
And if it did happen, then yes, I think I would like it very much. I don't completely agree with Ron Paul on everything, but he comes much, much closer than any other candidate in any other party. Unlike with most candidates, and unlike our current President, chances are good that Paul will actually do, or at least try to do, what he says he will. He has a long congressional record to use as evidence: in all his time in the House, he has never voted to raise taxes and he has never voted to go to war.
One would think that your current President was the perfect demonstration of how vital political skills and knowing how to reach compromises with Congress are for a president.
As you say, it would be exciting to see how many of his ideas he could actually implement, how people would respond to them, and what the results ultimately were. I shall gladly volunteer my country for this experiment, and I'm not a madman. In fact, the last time I took psychiatric exam, the doctor said I was one of the "most classically normal" people he'd seen. Anyway, Paul's theories are sound and any changes he is able to make are sure to be improvements. He certainly couldn't be any worse than Bush or Obama.
A large part of the experiment is of course in the war between the president and his own party's Congress that would ensue, and in seeing how much a president can get done in opposition to Congress. You may have seen one of his opponents point out that "the policies of Paul that I like are the ones he couldn't pass anyway, while he could pass the ones I dislike on day one"; while I suspect my view of which policies I like and dislike is rather different, there may still be some truth to the point.
Santorum is #2 in Iowa
04/01/2012 01:24:13 PM
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would you stop using that word? It is gross. *NM*
04/01/2012 01:48:45 PM
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What's your word for it? *NM*
04/01/2012 03:43:44 PM
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Well, there's nothing wrong with Santoruming in the privacy of one's home.
04/01/2012 02:35:56 PM
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yeah that it so funny
04/01/2012 03:05:59 PM
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he kind of brought it on himself by being so decidedly anti-gay that it pissed lots of people off
04/01/2012 04:36:39 PM
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maybe the gays brought all the gay bashing on themselves
05/01/2012 03:18:15 PM
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Civility is a social contract
05/01/2012 04:39:46 PM
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so now that the gays have broken that contract they are fair game?
05/01/2012 06:37:52 PM
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Re: so now that the gays have broken that contract they are fair game?
06/01/2012 05:29:49 PM
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So is it OK if just insult the gays who are politically active and push their agenda?
06/01/2012 06:16:30 PM
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If you call them out by name for hypocrisy, then sure.
10/01/2012 05:22:34 PM
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yes but once you have thrown out all civil decency why start getting nuanced?
11/01/2012 09:09:13 PM
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Actually, your response was expected
04/01/2012 10:08:33 PM
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do you still pretend that it isn't political?
05/01/2012 03:14:25 PM
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I'm sorry
05/01/2012 03:52:57 PM
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funny how it always woks out that way
05/01/2012 06:44:55 PM
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Believe what you will, but my wok skills are poor
05/01/2012 07:32:17 PM
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You should ask one of the gays to help you. I hear the gays are good at cooking. *NM*
06/01/2012 01:54:21 AM
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Santorum is a man who believes you must compare homosexual love to bestiality and pedophilia
05/01/2012 04:42:26 AM
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and Savage is a Man who believes that vulgar personal attacks
05/01/2012 03:12:42 PM
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Why should a person tolerate intolerance? (Serious question.) *NM*
05/01/2012 08:46:05 PM
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The question boils down to why should someone tolerate what they think is wrong.
05/01/2012 10:53:40 PM
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and when santorum tells you that your lifestyle is worse than pedophilia and bestiality?
06/01/2012 03:34:52 AM
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To be fair...
06/01/2012 05:32:31 AM
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You are correct
06/01/2012 01:21:18 PM
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Then it seems like it's a problem of definitions more than anything else.
06/01/2012 09:48:49 PM
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Following the logic to its bitter end. Why do I do this to myself???
06/01/2012 10:14:01 PM
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Those are really not equivalent.
06/01/2012 04:18:37 PM
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Re: Those are really not equivalent.
06/01/2012 10:27:11 PM
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I don't like your definition of tolerance and you're not consistent with it anyway.
07/01/2012 01:49:05 AM
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In case you were curious, I really disagree with your understanding of tolerance. *NM*
09/01/2012 08:24:45 PM
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So at this point, most of the candidates had a moment at the top. Kind of awesome.
05/01/2012 11:22:50 PM
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that is why Perry is staying in the race
06/01/2012 06:20:54 PM
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He should stay, they should all stay. Trump should get back into it and Palin should jump in too.
06/01/2012 07:00:52 PM
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It would be the joke of the year if Huntsman got a turn.
06/01/2012 10:59:36 PM
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Is he a bigger long shot than Santorum, though? Gingrich? Bachman? CAIN!?
07/01/2012 01:34:47 AM
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Yes, for the reason you state.
07/01/2012 03:04:39 PM
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I really do not agree.
09/01/2012 08:51:46 PM
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Like I said, check Obamas numbers any time in the last year and a half.
10/01/2012 11:41:47 AM
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More like everyone has had a moment running second to Romney.
07/01/2012 01:59:25 PM
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It's not a foregone conclusion yet.
07/01/2012 04:03:51 PM
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It kinda is; Paul cannot even win a majority of Republicans, let alone the country.
07/01/2012 09:09:07 PM
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Ironically, Paul has a better chance of winning the general election than the republican primary.
07/01/2012 10:14:07 PM
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What's the likelihood of Paul running as an independent/3rd party if he doesn't get the GOP nod? *NM*
07/01/2012 10:21:23 PM
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Not very high, I think. He didn't try it last time either, and it would hand Obama the election. *NM*
08/01/2012 01:29:01 AM
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many states have laws that you cannot run 3rd party after being on the ballot for a party primary
08/01/2012 06:12:36 AM
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Yes, he and Romney have that in common, but Pauls positions are (mostly) sincere.
10/01/2012 03:46:04 PM
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give up the hope it is nothing more than a pipe dream
09/01/2012 02:57:03 PM
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All of the republican candidates are pipe dreams.
09/01/2012 08:56:57 PM
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I find Ron Paul absolutely infuriating.
09/01/2012 10:44:09 PM
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Um...
10/01/2012 03:54:53 PM
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Paul is an equal opportunity infuriator, to borrow Vivien's word.
09/01/2012 10:56:57 PM
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while I, of course, disagree with your conclusion.
10/01/2012 02:21:46 PM
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Re: while I, of course, disagree with your conclusion.
10/01/2012 07:38:39 PM
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The original santorum 2003 interview for those who want to know
07/01/2012 05:32:00 AM
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And here is the 2002 op ed where he blamed liberalism causing the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal
07/01/2012 05:36:39 AM
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