Yes, I thought about this thread too and then when I read the article and saw it was the same department I couldn't believe it. As disgusting as the first time they did it.
I wanted to save people the trouble of making their points again?
' />I just can't believe it's happened again. I'm really shocked.
If you are from Betelgeuse, please have one of your Earth friends read what I've written before you respond. Or try concentrating harder.
"The trophy problem has become extreme."
"The trophy problem has become extreme."
firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee
- 06/10/2010 02:35:20 AM
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what kind of bullshit is that?
- 06/10/2010 03:19:12 AM
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And that brings up another point. What if there had been someone in there?
- 06/10/2010 04:03:49 AM
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as i said before, they probably would have just rescued them then let the house burn.
- 06/10/2010 04:11:24 AM
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Why are you trivializing those "precious resources?"
- 06/10/2010 04:56:13 AM
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except we aren't talking about "people" or a "business"
- 06/10/2010 05:03:18 AM
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It's slightly different.
- 06/10/2010 05:20:55 AM
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I'm not against the fee. The fee makes sense.
- 06/10/2010 05:24:39 AM
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How does the fee makes sense?
- 06/10/2010 05:27:30 AM
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they were at the scene to put out the portion of the fire that spread to the neighbors.
- 06/10/2010 05:28:35 AM
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I completely agree with Aeryn. Her points in this discussion have been thought out and well put. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:25:47 AM
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We ARE talking about a business.
- 06/10/2010 05:33:40 AM
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actually, that's exactly what happens to hospitals. they shut down.
- 06/10/2010 05:36:28 AM
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i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders
- 06/10/2010 05:36:52 AM
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Re: i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders
- 06/10/2010 05:42:00 AM
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if a doctor refuses to aid a dying patient, he'll lose his license, for one.
- 06/10/2010 05:48:18 AM
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that's how hospitals get shut down.
- 06/10/2010 05:43:13 AM
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In this case, the hard line of letting people suffer the logical consequences is the moral thing
- 06/10/2010 05:53:51 AM
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I presume you meant to reply to me 
- 06/10/2010 06:05:18 AM
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- 06/10/2010 06:05:18 AM
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I didn't know that there had been a first time. That makes their "forgetting" even more disgusting.
- 06/10/2010 06:15:11 AM
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and it makes the fire department inconsistent, setting false expectations.
- 06/10/2010 06:18:39 AM
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Not trying to be a troll, but this seems (mostly) reasonable.
- 06/10/2010 03:44:53 AM
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on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing?
- 06/10/2010 03:58:27 AM
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So that tool who didn't want to pay his fee most likely because he never thought he would need to...
- 06/10/2010 03:25:12 PM
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Re: on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing?
- 06/10/2010 06:33:57 PM
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at that point, you're right, they may not have been able to save the animals
- 06/10/2010 07:38:45 PM
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the owner says he called after using a garden hose was unsuccessful to put the fire out
- 07/10/2010 03:08:03 AM
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And running the govt this way is stupid for it leads to worse results, it is no better than SoN
- 06/10/2010 04:02:02 AM
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It makes sense from a business standpoint. But that's precisely why we socialize these things.
- 06/10/2010 04:02:25 AM
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Apparently being poor wasn't a problem as he offered to pay whatever it takes. He gambled and lost. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:11:40 AM
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you shouldn't have to be gambling on whether a public service will be given.
- 06/10/2010 05:20:40 AM
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I've been trying to figure out what I think for a few hours now.
- 06/10/2010 04:24:35 AM
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It wasn't bureacracy, it was his CHOICE.
- 06/10/2010 04:30:22 AM
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I believe the specific reason was "forgot". That's different.
- 06/10/2010 04:47:38 AM
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Why the double quotes then?
- 06/10/2010 05:11:37 AM
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doesn't sound like he intentionally didn't pay it with what you said.
- 06/10/2010 05:18:26 AM
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The setup itself is wrong.
- 06/10/2010 05:25:13 AM
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you can't buy insurance after the fact...
- 06/10/2010 05:27:40 AM
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Yes, they should have a new policy that accounts for this brouhaha situation.
- 13/12/2011 06:21:30 PM
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Other than anarchists (read: idiots), who seriously argues against socialized police/firefighting? *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:20:39 AM
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Apparently the idiots that set it up so that the rural people were not covered by a fire department. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:37:31 AM
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We just found one: Aemon. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:37:46 AM
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Meh.
- 06/10/2010 05:47:40 AM
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why? *points up* *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:51:06 AM
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How far up? Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM
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Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM
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she is referring to the house burning down because someone did not pay a fee. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM
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Yes. I was answering your question of "why" - this news story is the why. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 06:00:56 AM
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We have a government do these things for Market Failures exist. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 12:46:25 PM
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*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not
- 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM
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and why was it so impossible for him to pay late or pay extra?
- 06/10/2010 05:26:39 AM
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Because the fire departments costs have to be paid continually. They need the steady income
- 06/10/2010 05:33:34 AM
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Re:
- 06/10/2010 05:47:35 AM
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Why not? Isn't that what freedom is about?
- 06/10/2010 05:58:24 AM
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I'm not free to die. I'm not even free to smoke weed.
- 06/10/2010 06:07:17 AM
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Okay. I'm going to phrase this more explicately with a handy dandy vet comparison
- 06/10/2010 06:32:45 AM
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because then no one would pay until their house burned.
- 06/10/2010 05:34:52 AM
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if this was a less severe fire, I would agree with both you and Tash entirely.
- 06/10/2010 05:40:51 AM
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Risk to other properties is not a good argument. They DID come out to prevent that. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:54:19 AM
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that is not prevention, that is treatment.
- 06/10/2010 05:56:16 AM
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Speaking of prevention why were they letting their grandson burn trash? They were endangering
- 06/10/2010 06:02:12 AM
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it's very popular in the country to burn your trash instead of hauling it to a dump
- 06/10/2010 08:51:55 AM
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Surely they know to prepare the area around the burn area by clearing away anything that might catch
- 06/10/2010 02:51:38 PM
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i'm sure they told the wind not to blow in that area for a couple days too...
- 06/10/2010 04:12:03 PM
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Even when you are camping you are supposed to clear the area within twenty feet of the fire of
- 06/10/2010 10:24:21 PM
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all it takes is one piece of bad luck and "FOOSH" you're engulfed in flames
- 07/10/2010 04:11:49 PM
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The problem is...
- 06/10/2010 09:11:59 AM
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Re: The problem is...
- 06/10/2010 12:40:05 PM
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Re: The problem is...
- 06/10/2010 02:27:30 PM
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I just read that too. It does change my attitude. If he had always paid before and truly did forget
- 06/10/2010 10:27:56 PM
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I've been wondering how old he is too.
- 06/10/2010 10:30:20 PM
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Also they had been out of town. It was actually easy to see how it could have been overlooked.
- 06/10/2010 10:33:04 PM
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Well it is something we don't know, though we have the family saying it
- 06/10/2010 11:05:19 PM
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You are making an assumption that isn't proven by the evidence you use there
- 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM
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You are right. I did open my mouth before hearing both sides of the story. This information does
- 06/10/2010 10:30:23 PM
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it's okay that's what the internet is good for, mindless rage ranting 
- 06/10/2010 10:32:33 PM
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- 06/10/2010 10:32:33 PM
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No. It isn't okay. I despise it when other people do that. It is worse when I catch myself doing it.
- 06/10/2010 10:45:03 PM
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Actually
- 07/10/2010 02:03:52 AM
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seriously. We chatted on facebook, tashy. you were MOST reasonable.
- 07/10/2010 02:12:38 AM
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What I was doing was repeating what others had said as fact rather than checking out the sources.
- 07/10/2010 02:56:21 AM
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i like my idea below of the city setting up an automatic-payment system for subscribers.
- 07/10/2010 03:02:36 AM
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And another thing. Many rural areas choose to have volunteer fire departments. This is an option.
- 06/10/2010 05:41:20 AM
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And people wonder why I'm not a Libertarian.
- 06/10/2010 06:03:55 AM
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Yeah, that's why I always use the 'pragmatic libertarian' descriptor
- 06/10/2010 09:54:48 AM
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That I can respect and understand.
- 06/10/2010 10:08:19 AM
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What you are describing is an anarchist
- 06/10/2010 12:37:05 PM
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It often seems to devolve into semantics.
- 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM
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This is not a "libertarian" fire department...
- 06/10/2010 02:14:03 PM
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Libertarian/=non-government.
- 06/10/2010 02:16:10 PM
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I think you mean not equal to...
- 06/10/2010 02:28:30 PM
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In a way the article does speak to that, just not in the way I first thought.
- 07/10/2010 09:06:20 AM
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please use != or <> or =/= not your crazy invented symbolism
- 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM
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- 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM
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I didn't invent it.
- 07/10/2010 09:15:23 AM
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Or you could use the correct sign ≠ since RAFO does unicode properly
- 07/10/2010 09:51:39 AM
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come on, you didn't learn anything from compsci in high school??
- 07/10/2010 04:09:48 PM
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Which one does Turbo Pascal use?
- 07/10/2010 04:14:50 PM
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Turbo Pascal is about as dead as Fortran at this point
- 07/10/2010 04:32:01 PM
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My mom still has Fortran manuals. And COBOL.
- 08/10/2010 12:02:21 PM
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Not relevant to how it acted in this case though *NM*
- 06/10/2010 02:23:06 PM
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I see no issue with it...
- 06/10/2010 02:26:46 PM
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I'm not sure if you meant this as a reply to me? *NM*
- 06/10/2010 02:32:39 PM
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This better conveys what I was trying to say--this is a government problem
- 06/10/2010 06:27:03 PM
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I still don't agree
- 06/10/2010 07:16:19 PM
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Refer hence.
- 07/10/2010 09:39:42 AM
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I was expecting SELMA Hayek next to a burning house. Perhaps in a sheer dress, backlit. 
- 07/10/2010 09:35:38 AM
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- 07/10/2010 09:35:38 AM
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The argument against privately run fire departments is kind of sad
- 06/10/2010 08:24:26 PM
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if anything, it's in a businesses FAVOR to show up to unsubsribed houses, depending on their policy.
- 06/10/2010 10:24:13 PM
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Makes you wonder why people have insurance at all when it's cheaper to pay as you go.
- 07/10/2010 09:46:57 AM
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This a situation where you know there has to be a better way
- 06/10/2010 02:59:12 PM
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Good luck with that.
- 07/10/2010 10:03:05 AM
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some things should be done by the state and some by private organizations
- 07/10/2010 02:38:01 PM
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Does the state have authority to allocate county tax dollars?
- 07/10/2010 04:03:25 PM
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you have spent enough time in East Texas that you should know better than that
- 07/10/2010 04:26:26 PM
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In passing I'd like to note that this is a bizarre role reversal.
- 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM
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- 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM
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I am not against government just bad government *NM*
- 08/10/2010 02:38:26 PM
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I'll drink to that.
- 08/10/2010 02:42:12 PM
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if it wasn't I might be a democrat
*NM*
- 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM
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*NM*
- 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM
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Being a Democrat's SUPPOSED to mean you roll your sleeves up and fix it.
- 10/10/2010 03:06:24 AM
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Sounds like a sound decision to me. Fuck 'em. Burning trash? Idiots. *NM*
- 06/10/2010 03:16:53 PM
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I love when people demonstrate their ignorance while calling other people stupid
- 06/10/2010 04:37:52 PM
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Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash.
- 07/10/2010 01:18:15 AM
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Re: Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash.
- 07/10/2010 01:31:51 PM
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and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere?
- 07/10/2010 02:41:09 PM
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I think something is being missed here by many.
- 06/10/2010 03:39:12 PM
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Which is exactly why this whole contract / mayor / business talk is probably correct but insane
- 06/10/2010 04:00:44 PM
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I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay.
- 06/10/2010 04:50:11 PM
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Re: I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay.
- 06/10/2010 06:26:54 PM
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I'm betting no one will "forget" the fee anytime soon.
- 06/10/2010 04:57:38 PM
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there can be less disasterous incentives to pay the fee.
- 06/10/2010 05:50:01 PM
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And what consequence(s) can/do you enforce if the after-the-fact fee isn't paid? *NM*
- 06/10/2010 05:55:38 PM
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Triple the fee.
- 06/10/2010 06:16:03 PM
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Tripling the premium fee is definitely not enough. I would think in terms of tripling the cost.
- 13/12/2011 06:27:56 PM
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*NM*
i'm assuming that a provision like this would be written into the policy.
- 06/10/2010 07:43:10 PM
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So the house continues to burn while you are explaining this contract to the homeowner
- 06/10/2010 08:08:00 PM
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No, i mean in the original policy, not in something later signed.
- 06/10/2010 10:20:46 PM
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For starters, put a lien on their home; governments routinely do that with unpaid fees.
- 07/10/2010 10:15:21 AM
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The whole program is an incentive.
- 06/10/2010 07:13:45 PM
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*gigles* you said incentive... oh, you mean the pun wasn't intended? *NM*
- 09/12/2011 07:02:44 AM
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I haven't had my coffee yet.
- 09/12/2011 01:23:46 PM
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It was a bit of a stretch, "incentive" is related etymology-wise with "to kindle" (incendere) *NM*
- 09/12/2011 04:36:02 PM
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Ah, I thought of "incendiary" and wondered if that was the case (that those words were related).
- 09/12/2011 05:13:13 PM
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Re: firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee
- 06/10/2010 06:05:45 PM
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This.
- 06/10/2010 08:27:54 PM
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do we know exactly when the county stopped servicing them?
- 06/10/2010 10:23:06 PM
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They didn't have any service at all before twenty years ago. Then the city fire department offered
- 06/10/2010 11:05:37 PM
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as a former firefighter, here's my opinion about this:
- 06/10/2010 07:09:15 PM
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I am guessing they were told not to do it again.
- 06/10/2010 07:19:38 PM
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Now, John, your opinion as a professional firefighter is irrelevant here.
- 06/10/2010 07:47:41 PM
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My first question
- 06/10/2010 11:53:41 PM
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I agree with some of what you said
- 07/10/2010 01:54:36 AM
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*raises hand* speaking as someone who's participated in controlled prairie burning...
- 07/10/2010 02:10:56 AM
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Why would the animals be in the house if 911 was called before the fire ever reached the house?
- 07/10/2010 12:17:47 AM
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That whole thing does seem strange to me as well
- 07/10/2010 02:51:02 PM
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I can't believe the stupidity being spewed in this post. The solution is readily clear.
- 07/10/2010 01:32:01 AM
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From details others have revealed, it's really not that simple.
- 07/10/2010 10:24:39 AM
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Bullshit. It is that simple.
- 07/10/2010 10:59:34 AM
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Ultimately, yes, but it would almost certainly end with a lien and lawsuit with this joker.
- 07/10/2010 01:53:20 PM
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nonsense. by waiting, they created more costs for everyone.
- 07/10/2010 02:32:36 PM
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How so? They had to come put out one fire, period.
- 07/10/2010 03:21:51 PM
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because if they had come out when he intially called, or even soon thereafter...
- 07/10/2010 09:07:21 PM
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and that's not to mention the inevitable lawsuits this particular episode is going to spawn... 
*NM*
- 08/10/2010 04:52:44 AM
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*NM*
- 08/10/2010 04:52:44 AM
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Yes, they could've spared him a great deal of grief if they gave him free service.
- 08/10/2010 12:16:07 PM
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Is it in bad taste to note that this thread is on fire...?
- 07/10/2010 12:58:48 PM
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a FIRESTORM!
It took about two hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to the house? How did they not get
- 09/10/2010 12:49:26 AM
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Apparently, this has happened again
- 07/12/2011 09:05:20 PM
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Funny, I was thinking of this thread when I read that this morning too *NM*
- 07/12/2011 09:24:47 PM
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" *NM*
You are all crazy posting in this old thread!
- 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM
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- 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM
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