Thereby hangs the tale, indeed; I would also be interested in Toms elaboration on that.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2011 08:54:53 AM
One would think
would make the right to non-violent protest pretty cut and dried, particularly since the SCOTUS ruled the Fourteenth Amendments Due Process Clause applies the First Amendment (and most of the Bill of Rights) to state and local governments, not just the federal government. One would, however, be wrong; the biggest complication, it seems to me, is that the First Amendment says nothing of a right to peaceably assemble on public land. US law has long recognized local governments authority to require permits for "peaceable assemblies" in public areas. Preventing most protests is thus as simple as the Founding Fathers intended the right of protest to be: A local government opposed to a protest need only deny all permit applications for it, making any subsequent public protests illegal the moment police order protesters to disperse.
One can stand in their front yard yelling, or rent an auditorium where 50,000 of their closest friends can join them, but it is illegal to block Main Street (or Wall Street) without a permit. That is why abortion protesters get arrested for literally blockading clinics by "occupying" the sidewalks leading to them. I would prefer the law allowed public group protests provided they did not interfere with other people conducting their lives as they chose, but believe OWS would be SOL in that case, too. Those who seek confrontation with authorities rarely seek in vain.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
would make the right to non-violent protest pretty cut and dried, particularly since the SCOTUS ruled the Fourteenth Amendments Due Process Clause applies the First Amendment (and most of the Bill of Rights) to state and local governments, not just the federal government. One would, however, be wrong; the biggest complication, it seems to me, is that the First Amendment says nothing of a right to peaceably assemble on public land. US law has long recognized local governments authority to require permits for "peaceable assemblies" in public areas. Preventing most protests is thus as simple as the Founding Fathers intended the right of protest to be: A local government opposed to a protest need only deny all permit applications for it, making any subsequent public protests illegal the moment police order protesters to disperse.
One can stand in their front yard yelling, or rent an auditorium where 50,000 of their closest friends can join them, but it is illegal to block Main Street (or Wall Street) without a permit. That is why abortion protesters get arrested for literally blockading clinics by "occupying" the sidewalks leading to them. I would prefer the law allowed public group protests provided they did not interfere with other people conducting their lives as they chose, but believe OWS would be SOL in that case, too. Those who seek confrontation with authorities rarely seek in vain.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
An Open Letter to Police Officers Across America
20/11/2011 03:27:46 AM
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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
20/11/2011 03:59:42 AM
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I am forced to agree.
20/11/2011 04:37:07 AM
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You're right, but stuff like what just happened at UC Davis makes my blood boil
20/11/2011 05:52:11 AM
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As such things go, that does not seem too bad to me.
20/11/2011 06:14:54 AM
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I'm going to start a counter protest with "Bring back the Pinkertons" signs...
20/11/2011 05:19:19 AM
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One of the most poorly written pieces of shit I've read in a long time. *NM*
20/11/2011 06:30:29 AM
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Declaring people "enemy combatants" means they get to treat you as such too.
20/11/2011 01:55:51 PM
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Don't cloud the propaganda with logic, Tim!
20/11/2011 04:16:05 PM
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That's the problem with a two-party system: it's practically impossible to form a new party. *NM*
20/11/2011 05:42:39 PM
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And implicit in my statement above is the following addendum
20/11/2011 06:14:40 PM
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I agree with that. However, many seem to think that means it's OK to beat them up.
20/11/2011 06:21:05 PM
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Only if they resist arrest, and then the force must be proportionate. *NM*
20/11/2011 09:52:39 PM
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If they resist a lawful arrest, sure. *NM*
21/11/2011 11:11:11 AM
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they are breaking the law so it is lawful to arrest them *NM*
21/11/2011 10:46:18 PM
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In what way?
22/11/2011 09:12:01 AM
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Resisting arrest. Duh. *NM*
22/11/2011 10:11:04 AM
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They have to be doing something else before you can lawfully arrest them.
22/11/2011 10:30:05 AM
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Then they should be doing what the police say. Because that's the law. *NM*
22/11/2011 02:28:00 PM
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You're a smart guy, Ghavrel. You can't seriously think you have to do *anything* the police say.
22/11/2011 03:05:06 PM
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You are not allowed to just block sidewalks and camp wherever you want
22/11/2011 01:54:42 PM
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Most, if not all, of the arrests have been lawful.
22/11/2011 01:24:55 AM
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Can you tell me any more about this permit system? *NM*
22/11/2011 10:04:35 AM
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Thereby hangs the tale, indeed; I would also be interested in Toms elaboration on that.
23/11/2011 08:54:53 AM
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(OWS isn't anti-capitalism)
20/11/2011 06:39:37 PM
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It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
20/11/2011 08:44:12 PM
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Re: It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
22/11/2011 04:20:59 AM
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Why are liberals such whiners?
21/11/2011 01:51:03 PM
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There you go again....
21/11/2011 11:05:04 PM
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it is a little hypocritical of the guy who called the Tea Party racsit to talk about broad brushes *NM*
22/11/2011 04:02:56 AM
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One of these days you should try responding to me with more than "that thing you just said? YOU!"
22/11/2011 06:11:20 AM
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one of these days you will respond without going into off topic rants
22/11/2011 02:02:46 PM
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A tangent is not a non sequitur, though in this case I do not feel guilty of either.
23/11/2011 08:12:09 AM
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oh and stop with the the stupid BS about the Fed veing threatened it is getting old
22/11/2011 04:05:10 AM
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Saying a person would not like what one did to him if he came to ones state is a threat.
22/11/2011 06:13:35 AM
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No it is just another pathetic attempt of the left to believe the right are bad guys
22/11/2011 01:50:32 PM
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Saying one will take an unpleasant action against another is a threat, any way you slice it.
23/11/2011 08:17:44 AM
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You've posted this, but you don't seem inclined to defend it, one might ask what the point was?
21/11/2011 05:16:13 PM
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