lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
Aisha Send a noteboard - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM
America isnt a third world country, and there are just some things Americans wont do. and working on dairy farms, mowing lawns and bussing table are some of those things. Thats jobs we might do while in high school (if that) but someone who lives in a nice house in CT who wore a suit to work at Goldman isnt gonna start bussign tables. besides these jobs are not gonna pay her mortgage or her car payment, or her kids private French school tuition. In Pakistan or India or Mexico people would be happy to do these jobs at these wages but in modern day America its just not realistic. She has a degree and experience in finance, she shouldnt have to buss tables, or work at a bar, or start stripping.
*EDIT* Now as a dislcaimer, im just gonna say that if my husband lost his job in Finance/IT and it came down to our survival and paying for our house, he would work in a gas station cleaning toilets to make sure we were taken care of, but that attitude comes from growing up in a third world country where its dog eat dog and you have seen what poverty is. Thats not the case here in America. however, if it came down to working at Mcdonalds and selling her home she would do that(it would probably kill her pride), but I sympathize with her when she feels she shouldn't have to resort to that because she was great at her job and worked her ass off at Goldman for 7 years only to get the boot with countless others, Finance is a messed up field now and its hard to go back to school and find something else you are good at after so long.
*EDIT* Now as a dislcaimer, im just gonna say that if my husband lost his job in Finance/IT and it came down to our survival and paying for our house, he would work in a gas station cleaning toilets to make sure we were taken care of, but that attitude comes from growing up in a third world country where its dog eat dog and you have seen what poverty is. Thats not the case here in America. however, if it came down to working at Mcdonalds and selling her home she would do that(it would probably kill her pride), but I sympathize with her when she feels she shouldn't have to resort to that because she was great at her job and worked her ass off at Goldman for 7 years only to get the boot with countless others, Finance is a messed up field now and its hard to go back to school and find something else you are good at after so long.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but are those people making their mortgage payments by not working at all, despite being ABLE to work?
The point is not that "good jobs" are available. the point is that people saying THERE ARE NO JOBS are full of shit. There are jobs. period and end.
I totally get what you're trying to say, Aisha. Those people you know are stuck in a shitty position where there aren't any jobs IN THEIR PROFESSION. But there are jobs. That's all I'm saying. Sure, they may be shit jobs like bussing, flipping burgers, working manual labor with a lawn/garden company, wading through shit at a dairy farm or spending hours doing nothing but punching and binding note books. They may not give these people what they need, and they certainly will not give someone who was making six figures the lifestyle they grew used to. but they are better than nothing, and they are CERTAINLY better than sitting on your ass feeling sorry for yourself (I'm not saying this is what your friends are doing).
As for where, that does become part of the problem, particularly in small towns. I have a friend who can't get a job not because she's not qualified to work or because she isn't trying...there is just no job she's physically capable of performing in her town and she can't afford to go to other towns to work. And she also is in a situation where she can't just up and move. But, IMO, those are the people that need help. Not people who are capable of moving their families where jobs are. yes, I know that is rough on families. So is bankruptcy and debt.
The point is not that "good jobs" are available. the point is that people saying THERE ARE NO JOBS are full of shit. There are jobs. period and end.
I totally get what you're trying to say, Aisha. Those people you know are stuck in a shitty position where there aren't any jobs IN THEIR PROFESSION. But there are jobs. That's all I'm saying. Sure, they may be shit jobs like bussing, flipping burgers, working manual labor with a lawn/garden company, wading through shit at a dairy farm or spending hours doing nothing but punching and binding note books. They may not give these people what they need, and they certainly will not give someone who was making six figures the lifestyle they grew used to. but they are better than nothing, and they are CERTAINLY better than sitting on your ass feeling sorry for yourself (I'm not saying this is what your friends are doing).
As for where, that does become part of the problem, particularly in small towns. I have a friend who can't get a job not because she's not qualified to work or because she isn't trying...there is just no job she's physically capable of performing in her town and she can't afford to go to other towns to work. And she also is in a situation where she can't just up and move. But, IMO, those are the people that need help. Not people who are capable of moving their families where jobs are. yes, I know that is rough on families. So is bankruptcy and debt.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
This message last edited by Aisha on 20/11/2011 at 09:46:13 PM
An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do
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Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM*
20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM
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Yeah, 'cos YTs comments are all about disobedience, and the OWSers are all about submission.
20/11/2011 12:24:36 PM
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Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM*
20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM
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As usual you miss the point completely. *NM*
20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM
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You want people vocally refusing slavery to return to slavery; I got the point.
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If what I was saying amounted to that than what your arguing for would to...
22/11/2011 06:32:04 AM
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This is also not about you; the response to which you replied here has been edited accordingly.
22/11/2011 08:10:21 AM
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How much violence has there actually been?
20/11/2011 12:35:54 PM
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Re: How much violence has there actually been?
20/11/2011 12:44:00 PM
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Because it's easy.
20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM
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I think it's great that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy.
20/11/2011 06:27:27 PM
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Asian parents have the right idea
20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM
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because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race...
20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM
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every pakistani, indian, viet, chinese, cambodian person I know (and thats a lot) ....
20/11/2011 09:27:34 PM
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I had a lot of asian peers in class growing up with parents who were not like that
20/11/2011 10:35:45 PM
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I understand that, and agree to a certain extent.
20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM
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To take it a step further
21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM
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Fees are mostly increasing because of tuition increase caps paired with state funding cuts
21/11/2011 01:50:02 PM
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Ultimately, there is only black and white, but they mix freely and liberally in the real world.
21/11/2011 11:38:34 PM
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HUZZAH! Very well said.
20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM
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Our leaders should be held accountable for refusing to lead, and we for accepting that.
22/11/2011 12:09:51 AM
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I think people were jeering OWS for not being "focused" because there are so many damn problems
20/11/2011 04:54:24 PM
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Largely true, in many respects; again, the Tea Party had much the same problem for the same reasons.
22/11/2011 12:26:29 AM
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It is WEIRD when Ron Paul consistently comes off as the least insane GOP candidate
22/11/2011 02:56:33 AM
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Yeah, I recall that link, and still do not entirely agree with it.
22/11/2011 04:16:13 AM
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"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM*
20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM
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Yep, there are lots of jobs...
20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM
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Re: Yep, there are lots of jobs...
22/11/2011 04:01:35 AM
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I know about a dozen Philosophy Majors off the top of my head, all of whom are gainfully employed.
22/11/2011 11:36:47 AM
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Re:I know about a dozen Philosophy Majors off the top of my head,all of whom are gainfully employed.
24/11/2011 04:30:00 AM
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Excercise in creative thinking...
20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM
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So you think there's no real unemployment problem aside from people being lazy and entitled? *NM*
21/11/2011 03:32:16 AM
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I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs.
20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM
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but what kind of jobs?
20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM
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"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha
20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM
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Im a nurse
20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM
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You had me worried about the young girl I used to know for a moment. *NM*
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I actually have a lot of respect for plastic surgeons outside pure cosmetics
21/11/2011 01:02:59 AM
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job that pay money
20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM
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lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM
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Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM
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Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM
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That's a shitty situation
21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM
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First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables.
20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM
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Actually it is the case in some parts of America. Just not the parts that get mentioned.
22/11/2011 04:05:44 AM
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Doesn't matter when people aren't there, or people don't have the required skills.
20/11/2011 11:51:53 PM
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If you can drive a truck I can get you a job tommorw hauling sand for fracing *NM*
02/09/2012 09:32:39 PM
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...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills.
20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM
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Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons?
20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM
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You know what he meant.
20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM
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You're talking about the Supreme Court case Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission.
20/11/2011 10:38:43 PM
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Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886.
22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM
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You do realize...
22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM
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Almost anything CAN happen.
22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM
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Actually I think we should be prosecuting these people
22/11/2011 07:46:56 AM
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Well, this is a red letter day; I agree with nearly, perhaps ENTIRELY, all of what you said here.
22/11/2011 07:59:42 AM
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You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it.
23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM
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Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ...
20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM
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Good post
20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM
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The UN is clearly out of touch with reality.
20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM
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"There is no right to work"?
22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM
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That would be a legal right relating to unions not a basic human right. *NM*
22/11/2011 05:57:34 AM
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Right; there is a right to work when it suits you, and not when it does not.
22/11/2011 07:16:40 AM
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...do you know what "right-to-work" in those states entails?
22/11/2011 07:55:02 AM
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I would not pretend to be an authority on it, no, but broadly speaking, yes.
22/11/2011 08:12:50 AM
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Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM*
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Ikke ennĂ¥.
22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM
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So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest?
21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM
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I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled
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Re: I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled
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