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don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM
Just that we inned to get a little more intelligent about how we vet our candidates and that the press should take a more constructive role in the process. I also think that the people who want more depth are making a mistake when they want detailed position plans. Those are useful but not as useful as past performance as an indicator of future performance. If you want to bring radical change that is fine but you need to sell it honestly and you need to show you have a history of successfully bringing that sort of change. Why should we believe you can accomplish something grand if higher you when you have no record of grand accomplishments? Pretty speeches and interesting sounding plans are not enough. That is one of the reasons I wanted Hillary over Obama and the reason I am very worried about Cain. He has accomplished some interesting things when he was the CEO and owner of company and could make all the decisions but he has no track record of being able to pass legislation and implement policies when he can't just fire anyone who disagrees with him. If he was running for dictator his experience might apply but he is running to head one branch of the government and even that one he doesn't control completely.

If I was trying to take shots at liberals I would have pointed out that Obama ran on stopping the gotcha politics of personal attacks and then had his press secretary take cheap personal shots at Palin even though she was not running for any office at the time. One of the other things we need to do is stop accepting ad hominem attacks when the attacks are directed at people we don't like or crying about the how violent and radical the other side is and while ignoring the much worse behavior on our own side. The hypocrisies of attacking the Tea Party and defending the OWS is the sort of BS petty politics we need to get away from. Either you oppose violent rhetoric and civil disobedience or you support it. Either is a valid position but the "I support it for my side but oppose it for your side" really isn't a valid position.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 913 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 740 Views
He wasn't Abel ^_^ *NM* - 18/10/2011 01:24:57 PM 222 Views
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 221 Views
I have trouble taking him seriously - 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM 610 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents. - 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM 621 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 512 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 719 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 301 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 530 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 458 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 213 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 216 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 568 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 506 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 657 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 587 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 556 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 240 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 486 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 657 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 552 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 229 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 235 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 197 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged - 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM 713 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 610 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 554 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 645 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 986 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 529 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 592 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 631 Views
Why is that, would you think? - 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM 582 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM 615 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism. - 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM 755 Views
I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 719 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 646 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 633 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 218 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 654 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 864 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 779 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 567 Views

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