The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole
Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
I already know you're a "True Believer" and a genuine socialist, you don't really need to reinforce the point.
But look, 'privatize' is simply not what you seem to think it is. I could privatize Social Security simply by having the trust fund placed in the hands of a corporation in which there was a specific charter banning them from buying pretty much anything other than gold or US bonds and having the CEO and board selected by the 'shareholders', it's then private, with no effective change. Going apeshit with this 'dead bodies clogging the streets' garbage is even more juvenile then when someone flips out about the idea that some township might zone itself such that those in certain residential districts would be required to use the 'socialist' municipal garbage, sewer, and water services.
"Privatize" does not automatically equal throwing people to wolves, we wouldn't need to privatize anything were that the goal, and it isn't, the GOP is not some comic opera group of greed-mongers ripped from some cheesy movie. We want a safety net that 1) Is stable and fiscally sound 2) gives people choices 3) doesn't breed dependency and 4) doesn't punish or vilify success. I don't see what is wrong with, say, allowing people 4 options to choose from and being allowed to switch out with little penalty. I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I got to pick from, say, an account with Wells Fargo that stored my cash in gold ingots in some vault somewhere or an 'insurance' plan that stipulated I'd receive X amount a month once I was no longer able to work by dint of age or injury, or maybe could pick both, with the gov't having no more role than to stipulate what the minimum I had to dump in was and maybe doing some baseline amount per citizen and/or matching funds. Don't know why that couldn't been mostly farmed out to private companies and simply monitored... the city doesn't have to own the garbage trucks to do garbage pickup, they can hire a company to do it, that's what 'privatize' means. There's little reason not to privatize something where a natural monopoly doesn't exist, and pensions and SS certainly aren't a natural monopoly, and even natural monopolies often benefit from privatization. Not that that will sway you, because I don't think you actually believe anything is better off in private hands.
But look, 'privatize' is simply not what you seem to think it is. I could privatize Social Security simply by having the trust fund placed in the hands of a corporation in which there was a specific charter banning them from buying pretty much anything other than gold or US bonds and having the CEO and board selected by the 'shareholders', it's then private, with no effective change. Going apeshit with this 'dead bodies clogging the streets' garbage is even more juvenile then when someone flips out about the idea that some township might zone itself such that those in certain residential districts would be required to use the 'socialist' municipal garbage, sewer, and water services.
"Privatize" does not automatically equal throwing people to wolves, we wouldn't need to privatize anything were that the goal, and it isn't, the GOP is not some comic opera group of greed-mongers ripped from some cheesy movie. We want a safety net that 1) Is stable and fiscally sound 2) gives people choices 3) doesn't breed dependency and 4) doesn't punish or vilify success. I don't see what is wrong with, say, allowing people 4 options to choose from and being allowed to switch out with little penalty. I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I got to pick from, say, an account with Wells Fargo that stored my cash in gold ingots in some vault somewhere or an 'insurance' plan that stipulated I'd receive X amount a month once I was no longer able to work by dint of age or injury, or maybe could pick both, with the gov't having no more role than to stipulate what the minimum I had to dump in was and maybe doing some baseline amount per citizen and/or matching funds. Don't know why that couldn't been mostly farmed out to private companies and simply monitored... the city doesn't have to own the garbage trucks to do garbage pickup, they can hire a company to do it, that's what 'privatize' means. There's little reason not to privatize something where a natural monopoly doesn't exist, and pensions and SS certainly aren't a natural monopoly, and even natural monopolies often benefit from privatization. Not that that will sway you, because I don't think you actually believe anything is better off in private hands.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain?
18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM
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I have trouble taking him seriously
18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM
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That is the problem with all Romneys opponents.
18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM
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what positions of Perry's do you consider radical?
18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM
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Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman.
18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM
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yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM*
18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM
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When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions.
18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM
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all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS
18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM
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Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM*
18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM
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I believe what RT means ...
18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM
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No it isn't a fine point
18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM
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He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security.
18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM
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Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing
18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM
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It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own."
19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM
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Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement?
19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM
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Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves.
20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM
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The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole
20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
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Some things are better off in private hands, but "natural dependcies" are not among those things.
20/10/2011 03:42:15 PM
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It is ridiculously simple; here ya go:
18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM
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OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it
18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM
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You see no conflict between this post and your next one?
18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
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no I don't
18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM
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By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution.
19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM
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you really excell at misunderstanding *NM*
19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM
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I understand you but disagree, because I also understand plain English.
19/10/2011 02:06:23 AM
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More qualified to be President than Obama was at this stage.
18/10/2011 07:40:33 PM
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I assume you're refering to his implemented policies of corporate welfare? *NM*
18/10/2011 07:46:07 PM
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He did say, "at this stage;" Obama has been a quick study at corporate welfare.
19/10/2011 01:19:39 AM
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So this is an "Anybody but Obama" election for you, then? *NM*
19/10/2011 12:16:46 AM
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I thought that was a given, the reason Republicans will swallow their bile/tongues and vote Romney.
19/10/2011 01:17:46 AM
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Not just anyone. That way lies more idiocy than ignoring lies and pandering.
19/10/2011 07:23:18 AM
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His speeches do have a clear socialist agenda; too bad none of his policies have a hint of one.
20/10/2011 10:25:01 AM
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Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged
19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM
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Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful.
19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
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It was that, I rather enjoyed it
19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM
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I promise
19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM
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I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!"
20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM
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...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished.
20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM
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let me ask you this about Cain
19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM
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Why is that, would you think?
19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM
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There just seems to be strong lack of good choices
19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM
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I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism.
19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM
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I blame the press
19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM
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It's rare that I agree with you so fully. Politics is the demesne of soundbites. *NM*
20/10/2011 12:38:48 AM
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I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron.
20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM
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