And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources....
Joel Send a noteboard - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM

Unless there is a secret amendment to the Constitution that allows the federal government to have forced retirement accounts that is. Even the some of the people who helped write the bill were worried that bill would held unconstitutional.
Though I can see why you like the article, since it so well states your "Social Security is unconstitutional but that does not mean we want it abolished; here are all the reasons it should be anyway...:" argument. Perry parrots the same refrain, reminding me that the GOP tends to think with one brain (usually Cheneys.) Of course, if we read the whole article we find a familiar theme of New Deal policies: Huge congressional majorities passed and FDR signed bills automatically struck down by nine men appointed by Harding, Coolidge and Hoover as part of their overall laissez-faire policies. The policies that led to the Depression, 25% unemployment, desperate Europe turning to fascist dictators and, ultimately, the Second World War. After four years watching nine men singlehandedly thwart the expressed will of an overwhelming majority of the American public, FDR proposed a law immediately adding six justices to the bench to end the stalemate. The public and even his partys congressional delegation reacted with shock and horror, but the point was made, and the SCOTUS ceased routinely "unlegislating" from the bench. A consequence was that the SCOTUS has already ruled Social Security constitutional, along with most of the rest of the New Deal.
None of which changes the facts: Calling Social Security unconstitutional can only mean one the speaker wants to:
1) ignore the Constitution or
2) abolish Social Security.
I think if you ask 100 people at random you will find 99 of them say both of those positions are extremely radical, so take your pick.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain?
18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM
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I have trouble taking him seriously
18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM
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That is the problem with all Romneys opponents.
18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM
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what positions of Perry's do you consider radical?
18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM
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Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman.
18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM
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yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM*
18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM
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When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions.
18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM
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all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS
18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM
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Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM*
18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM
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I believe what RT means ...
18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM
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No it isn't a fine point
18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM
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He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security.
18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM
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Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing
18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM
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It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own."
19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM
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Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement?
19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM
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Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves.
20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM
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The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole
20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
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Some things are better off in private hands, but "natural dependcies" are not among those things.
20/10/2011 03:42:15 PM
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It is ridiculously simple; here ya go:
18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM
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OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it
18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM
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You see no conflict between this post and your next one?
18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
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no I don't
18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM
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By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution.
19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM
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you really excell at misunderstanding *NM*
19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM
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I understand you but disagree, because I also understand plain English.
19/10/2011 02:06:23 AM
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and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional
18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM
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And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources....
18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM
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More qualified to be President than Obama was at this stage.
18/10/2011 07:40:33 PM
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I assume you're refering to his implemented policies of corporate welfare? *NM*
18/10/2011 07:46:07 PM
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He did say, "at this stage;" Obama has been a quick study at corporate welfare.
19/10/2011 01:19:39 AM
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So this is an "Anybody but Obama" election for you, then? *NM*
19/10/2011 12:16:46 AM
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I thought that was a given, the reason Republicans will swallow their bile/tongues and vote Romney.
19/10/2011 01:17:46 AM
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Not just anyone. That way lies more idiocy than ignoring lies and pandering.
19/10/2011 07:23:18 AM
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His speeches do have a clear socialist agenda; too bad none of his policies have a hint of one.
20/10/2011 10:25:01 AM
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Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged
19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM
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Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful.
19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
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It was that, I rather enjoyed it
19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM
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I promise
19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM
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I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!"
20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM
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...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished.
20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM
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let me ask you this about Cain
19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM
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Why is that, would you think?
19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM
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There just seems to be strong lack of good choices
19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM
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I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism.
19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM
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I blame the press
19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM
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It's rare that I agree with you so fully. Politics is the demesne of soundbites. *NM*
20/10/2011 12:38:48 AM
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I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron.
20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM
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