I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism."
Joel Send a noteboard - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM
Particularly since socialism is by nature a hybrid between completely state collective run (i.e. communist) and completely free market (i.e. capitalist) systems. "Full socialism" has a ring much like "radical moderate" to my ear. Sorry if I am getting semantic here, I am just so very tired of hearing people use "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Actually, I do not mind them doing it so much as them doing it in such great numbers and otherwise intelligent people listening to them.
Also, saying, "free markets, if operating properly" is one HELL of a qualifier, as I know you are aware. Free markets do not operate properly very long without some degree of government regulation (ideally, democratic or republican, since the alternative was best defined by Mussolini.) At that point we are back to a hybrid system (or fascism but, again, I assume we agree that is undesirable;) if you wish to debate where to strike that balance, I agree that is precisely the proper debate, because communist and laissez-faire economic systems have always and invariably ended horrifically.
Also, saying, "free markets, if operating properly" is one HELL of a qualifier, as I know you are aware. Free markets do not operate properly very long without some degree of government regulation (ideally, democratic or republican, since the alternative was best defined by Mussolini.) At that point we are back to a hybrid system (or fascism but, again, I assume we agree that is undesirable;) if you wish to debate where to strike that balance, I agree that is precisely the proper debate, because communist and laissez-faire economic systems have always and invariably ended horrifically.
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Is communism the true economy of democracies?
- 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM
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Sorry, not following this.....
- 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM
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Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule.
- 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM
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WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - 
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- 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM
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- 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM
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They are not similar.
- 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM
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That's why Lenin came up with the soviets, though that was pretty naïve, too.
- 10/10/2011 05:54:37 AM
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Lenin died in 1924. The Civil War was over in 1920. He died after several strokes. *NM*
- 10/10/2011 05:30:58 PM
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Sorry, did not realize he survived it that long.
- 11/10/2011 04:21:05 AM
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There is no evidence that Lenin was poisoned.
- 11/10/2011 04:50:28 AM
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That is hardly the only way to kill; in Lenins condition, neglect would have sufficed.
- 11/10/2011 06:28:31 AM
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Let's see...you're asking if property theft by the state is compatible with freedom? No.
- 10/10/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism."
- 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM
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You obviously don't understand the definitions of socialism and communism.
- 10/10/2011 02:41:39 PM
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In theory, but economics is not politics, making social contracts a bit more dubious.
- 10/10/2011 05:18:39 AM
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No. A thousand times no.
- 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM
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Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny.
- 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM
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I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself.
- 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM
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That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals.
- 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM
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No time to today, but you're very wrong.
- 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM
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OK.
- 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM
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Nope, because free-market democracy totally permits communism already
- 12/10/2011 12:50:36 AM
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