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Re: They are not similar. MrFarstrider Send a noteboard - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM
The principles that Locke spoke of need one more element to make them work effectively. Self-Responsibilty. In Locke's vision, people should be and are responsible for themselves in most things, and only come together for things that cannot be done alone, namely defense from other nation's and the few laws needed to make society run efficiently (murder, thieving, etc).

What is the reference for self-responsibility? I don't remember this being elaborated on but it has been a while since I have read his works. And how does this tie into democracy and economics? I think perhaps its the point you were trying to make below but I'm not sure.

In Communism, it's principles are based an idealistic view of humanity. In communism, Marx's true vision (which there is not much said about in his writings), humanity has no greed, no reason to be jealous of anyone else, no reason to be selfish. It completely ignores the truth about humanity in that humanity as a whole are greedy and selfish and will not normally do something unless it directly benefits themselves, and that as whole, they are lazy. You have probably worked with the people who will do the bare minimum at any given thing. But there is no oversight for the people at the top.

Everybody knows the flaws of communism just as greed and inequality are the flaws of the free market system. I am not trying to say that one is more right than the other. I am trying to see if one is more fitting to democracy than the other. I would agree that self responsibility is more of a quality of a free market than communism. However, I am not sure how self-responsibility is a quality of democracy.
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Is communism the true economy of democracies? - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM 773 Views
Sorry, not following this..... - 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM 595 Views
Re: Sorry, not following this..... - 10/10/2011 03:54:45 AM 507 Views
Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule. - 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM 616 Views
WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - *NM* - 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM 227 Views
Think he means we all have public sector enterprise. - 10/10/2011 06:24:10 PM 444 Views
Yeah, I thought it was clear as well. - 10/10/2011 06:32:02 PM 481 Views
Yeah, Stephen pretty much covered it. - 11/10/2011 06:10:38 AM 520 Views
They are not similar. - 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM 465 Views
Re: They are not similar. - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM 544 Views
No, but socialism is. - 10/10/2011 06:09:55 AM 519 Views
No. A thousand times no. - 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM 602 Views
Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny. - 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM 508 Views
I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself. - 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM 546 Views
That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals. - 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM 560 Views
No time to today, but you're very wrong. - 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM 442 Views
OK. - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM 430 Views
You really should read more about the Soviet Union. - 11/10/2011 03:19:32 PM 510 Views
Not sure it would change my perceptions. - 11/10/2011 03:41:08 PM 416 Views
In a single word: No. - 11/10/2011 08:26:36 AM 436 Views

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