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Is communism the true economy of democracies? MrFarstrider Send a noteboard - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM
I don't pretend to know the deep, internal workings of economics and I have a pretty good grasp on the different characteristics of government styles. A lot of Locke's principles that we base the American republic on are similar to the ideals of communist thought. The principles of equality, liberty, freedom, etc from democracy/ republics when applied to economics results in a lot of the same principles as communism. To the contrary, the king of the mountain mentality in free markets somewhat requires the few taking advantage of the many lower working class to amass wealth and get ahead. When applied to politics, that system doesn't represent equality, liberty, freedom. Its more accurate of an oligarchy or fascist state (think Nazi's taking advantage of a Slav working caste).

As a disclaimer, I know this is oversimplified and any government/economy today is a pretty complex mixture of a lot of ideas and systems. It seems the tea party and occupy wall street folks want principles from the political ideologies inserted into their economic world. So I have a few questions for you...

Do you think that the ideals of democracy have a place in a free market economy?

Do the ideals of democracy more accurately represent communism?

Can a true democratic political system and a true free market economy coexist?

Why or why not on all of these questions.

Thanks
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Is communism the true economy of democracies? MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM 845 Views
Sorry, not following this..... trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM 661 Views
Re: Sorry, not following this..... MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 03:54:45 AM 579 Views
Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM 683 Views
WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - *NM* trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM 256 Views
Think he means we all have public sector enterprise. Stephen - 10/10/2011 06:24:10 PM 505 Views
Yeah, I thought it was clear as well. Tom - 10/10/2011 06:32:02 PM 551 Views
Yeah, Stephen pretty much covered it. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:10:38 AM 596 Views
They are not similar. MightyYT - 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM 539 Views
Re: They are not similar. MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM 615 Views
That's why Lenin came up with the soviets, though that was pretty naïve, too. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:54:37 AM 479 Views
Lenin died in 1924. The Civil War was over in 1920. He died after several strokes. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2011 05:30:58 PM 214 Views
Sorry, did not realize he survived it that long. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:21:05 AM 592 Views
There is no evidence that Lenin was poisoned. Tom - 11/10/2011 04:50:28 AM 523 Views
That is hardly the only way to kill; in Lenins condition, neglect would have sufficed. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:28:31 AM 546 Views
Let's see...you're asking if property theft by the state is compatible with freedom? No. Tom - 10/10/2011 04:58:14 AM 517 Views
I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism." Joel - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM 497 Views
You obviously don't understand the definitions of socialism and communism. Tom - 10/10/2011 02:41:39 PM 583 Views
OK, I see what you mean now, thanks. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:29:35 AM 514 Views
In theory, but economics is not politics, making social contracts a bit more dubious. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:18:39 AM 682 Views
No, but socialism is. Dannymac - 10/10/2011 06:09:55 AM 589 Views
No. A thousand times no. Vodalus - 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM 657 Views
Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny. Joel - 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM 579 Views
I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself. Tom - 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM 601 Views
That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals. Joel - 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM 650 Views
No time to today, but you're very wrong. Tom - 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM 509 Views
OK. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM 491 Views
You really should read more about the Soviet Union. Tom - 11/10/2011 03:19:32 PM 580 Views
Not sure it would change my perceptions. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:41:08 PM 493 Views
In a single word: No. A Deathwatch Guard - 11/10/2011 08:26:36 AM 510 Views
Nope, because free-market democracy totally permits communism already Isaac - 12/10/2011 12:50:36 AM 571 Views
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